What did you guys not learn about civil disobedience?
It’s non-violence, but it breaks the laws “designed to keep things civil.” It’s meant to disrupt, it’s means to obstruct, it’s meant to annoy the shit out of the people you are protesting.
I haven’t seen any civil disobedience. Which is weird because the boomers did it all the time.
A protest isn’t civil disobedience. Boycotts aren’t civil disobedience.
A crowd of hundreds blocking a bridge is. People blocking entrances to government buildings is. People surrounding bases is. People flooding the capitol or disrupting the discourse of policy is. The reason they use the military and ICE is because they are terrified that people will remember that even 1% of the US doing this far outnumbers them.
People (especially white) frequently forget about Martin Luther King Jr. He and his team worked extremely hard to keep it nonviolent and effective. He was ready to die for what he believed in but it was wise enough to realize violence was not the answer. For those curious, I would recommend that you read some of his works.
I also think that for civil disobedience to work you need purpose and a clear direction. Just blocking a bridge is just going to annoy people and get you labeled as a public nuance.
With the civil rights movement, it was very well organized and people directly disobeyed laws they wanted changed. Sitting at a white only table is very different than blocking a bridge for something less concrete.
A crowd of hundreds blocking a bridge is. People blocking entrances to government buildings is. People surrounding bases is. People flooding the capitol or disrupting the discourse of policy is. The reason they use the military and ICE is because they are terrified that people will remember that even 1% of the US doing this far outnumbers them.
The absolute whining from people when they are moderately inconvenienced is depressing. “Sure, death camps are bad but did they have to block the bridge? I’m going to be late for my brunch!” Well, the person in a camp is going to be late for stuff, too.
On a more practical level, it can be counter productive to the protester’s cause though. I used to work at a busy convenience store in a city where I would talk to many people throughout the day about what was going on in town, including one day when a small group of protesters shut down the major freeway in the area. It only turned the majority opinion against them and increased support for police. Literally no one so much as even mentioned what they were protesting about, let alone gaining support
Which is why it’s effective if coordinated and done well. It makes things relevant immediately for the public, for officials, for businesses.
It will annoy them to the point of either joining them out of frustration, or at least saying “do something!” To the government.
I have no misconceptions that they will happily massacre civilians when those orders arrive, but until those orders arrive they are only trying to intimidate. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the current orders are quite simply: “Walk and look scary.”
They are clearly more afraid of us than them. They’re nothing more than buzzing insects with stingers.
Ehhhh… they’re more so just being a bit… annoying once in a while. They make the cause look bad sometimes. Throwing soup on a van Gogh just looks a little dumb.
Problem is I’m not a climate protestor and don’t give a shit about the climate because I’m barely able to afford rent. What’s stopping you from doing it?
We learned the hippies were ineffectual drug addicts that believed in super weird stuff. Then HIV happened and free love was over. Then Manson family killed a bunch of people and became a scape goat. The hippies lost their appeal. Computers blew up and we never went back to that place to try and figure out how to do it right.
I certainly remember several times when learning American history throughout my education about the Civil Rights movement and the resistance to the Vietnam War.
Admittedly though, I don’t know how much of that I learned in school, vs learned in Museums.
That’s incredible. Maybe Minnesota is just that different? My son still learned about the civil rights movement and civil disobedience in 2nd grade. Specifically they mentioned MLK Jrs marches and sit-ins, and how even something as small as Rosa Parks sitting where she wasn’t allowed to was an act of civil disobedience.
I wonder if Id remember the cover of the text books if I saw them. Anyway, sorry your kids arent getting the education I received but to be honest, it wasn’t that great. At least for me but there are another of other personal factors that attribute to that.
? No, I’m saying they are getting the education I received. It’s not exactly a topic you dump on kids in second grade in its full reality. You introduce the pieces over time. Edit: I should say this is Minnesota.
What did you guys not learn about civil disobedience?
It’s non-violence, but it breaks the laws “designed to keep things civil.” It’s meant to disrupt, it’s means to obstruct, it’s meant to annoy the shit out of the people you are protesting.
I haven’t seen any civil disobedience. Which is weird because the boomers did it all the time.
A protest isn’t civil disobedience. Boycotts aren’t civil disobedience.
A crowd of hundreds blocking a bridge is. People blocking entrances to government buildings is. People surrounding bases is. People flooding the capitol or disrupting the discourse of policy is. The reason they use the military and ICE is because they are terrified that people will remember that even 1% of the US doing this far outnumbers them.
People (especially white) frequently forget about Martin Luther King Jr. He and his team worked extremely hard to keep it nonviolent and effective. He was ready to die for what he believed in but it was wise enough to realize violence was not the answer. For those curious, I would recommend that you read some of his works.
I also think that for civil disobedience to work you need purpose and a clear direction. Just blocking a bridge is just going to annoy people and get you labeled as a public nuance.
With the civil rights movement, it was very well organized and people directly disobeyed laws they wanted changed. Sitting at a white only table is very different than blocking a bridge for something less concrete.
The absolute whining from people when they are moderately inconvenienced is depressing. “Sure, death camps are bad but did they have to block the bridge? I’m going to be late for my brunch!” Well, the person in a camp is going to be late for stuff, too.
I’ve seen someone on this platform, call out people who block bridges as having a “lack of empathy because you’ve never had to be somewhere on time”
You’re so right, how dare I make someone late for their dentist appointment. Let the genocide continue, by all means.
On a more practical level, it can be counter productive to the protester’s cause though. I used to work at a busy convenience store in a city where I would talk to many people throughout the day about what was going on in town, including one day when a small group of protesters shut down the major freeway in the area. It only turned the majority opinion against them and increased support for police. Literally no one so much as even mentioned what they were protesting about, let alone gaining support
Which is why it’s effective if coordinated and done well. It makes things relevant immediately for the public, for officials, for businesses.
It will annoy them to the point of either joining them out of frustration, or at least saying “do something!” To the government.
I have no misconceptions that they will happily massacre civilians when those orders arrive, but until those orders arrive they are only trying to intimidate. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the current orders are quite simply: “Walk and look scary.”
They are clearly more afraid of us than them. They’re nothing more than buzzing insects with stingers.
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There’s a reason why Marsha P. Johnson is remembered.
For throwing the first fucking brick.
So basically what the climate protesters are doing.
YES! As my aunt would tell me: if you aren’t getting arrested, you aren’t making an impact.
The only way you are hearing about protesters on privately owned media is if those billionaires want you to hear about them.
Ehhhh… they’re more so just being a bit… annoying once in a while. They make the cause look bad sometimes. Throwing soup on a van Gogh just looks a little dumb.
Because only the annoying parts get put into oligarch-controlled media.
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Why do you wish that?
You could buy a gun and do it yourself. Why does it need to be someone else’s job to do it for you?
Problem is I’m not a climate protestor and don’t give a shit about the climate because I’m barely able to afford rent. What’s stopping you from doing it?
Then why are you complaining that climate activism is ineffective?
Because it’s been protested my entire life since I was a child and nothing has been done about it, so I’ve given up hope.
Non violent protests work if the alternative is violence. Otherwise they just keep sending in violent bullies to dismantle the protests.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deacons_for_Defense_and_Justice
I think it is hard for anyone in a liberal democracy to justice mass violence against people who are peacefully protesting
We learned the hippies were ineffectual drug addicts that believed in super weird stuff. Then HIV happened and free love was over. Then Manson family killed a bunch of people and became a scape goat. The hippies lost their appeal. Computers blew up and we never went back to that place to try and figure out how to do it right.
Wow. Really? When was this? Where was this?
I certainly remember several times when learning American history throughout my education about the Civil Rights movement and the resistance to the Vietnam War.
Admittedly though, I don’t know how much of that I learned in school, vs learned in Museums.
We learned about free love and the hippie movement in school. I went to school in a very blue state.
That’s incredible. Maybe Minnesota is just that different? My son still learned about the civil rights movement and civil disobedience in 2nd grade. Specifically they mentioned MLK Jrs marches and sit-ins, and how even something as small as Rosa Parks sitting where she wasn’t allowed to was an act of civil disobedience.
I wonder if Id remember the cover of the text books if I saw them. Anyway, sorry your kids arent getting the education I received but to be honest, it wasn’t that great. At least for me but there are another of other personal factors that attribute to that.
? No, I’m saying they are getting the education I received. It’s not exactly a topic you dump on kids in second grade in its full reality. You introduce the pieces over time. Edit: I should say this is Minnesota.