If I had a nickel for every time people on lemmy discredited voting 3rd party or progressive candidates under the excuse of “muh RCV” or “vote blue no matter who”, I’d have enough money to bribe the DNC into splitting into multiple parties.
Not only that, they’ll yell at the people who voted for anti-genocide candidates. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told that I voted for genocide, by vorting for an anti-genocide candidate.
Yeup, same here. They’re just trying to use the genocide now to guilt-trip voters who didn’t support Harris. Because her genocide would’ve been better, I guess??
She had an entire year to put her foot down and say, “This is fucked!” and the best thing she could say was “We gotta make a deal.” No details, no idea what kind of a deal. Oh, and lots of excuses for Israel.
If you actually want to make things better then you have to use methods that have a chance of actually working. We have overwhelming historical evidence showing that voting third-party doesn’t.
Of course I see a difference. I see the systems that the Democrats and Republicans built coming to fruition. I see the trends that the Democrats ignored increased. I see the societal problems from then tuned up a few notches, because the Democrats were too busy bombing kids, backing a genocide, and bailing out their rich friends to fix.
You said that “voting third party doesn’t work”. The vast majority of voters do not vote for alternative parties or candidates, so no, it hasn’t been tried.
Did you mean to say “Running third party doesn’t work”?
No, Pakistan does not have RCV. Hell they don’t even have a qualified election system with the amount of falsified ballots, yet the third party still defeated that system.
It can work, but the most important part in making it work is building the movement so that everyone votes for the third party in the same election. There’s no point in just voting third party and complaining that no one else is doing it.
I don’t think it’s a question of amount of effort. Both undertakings would be monumental. It’s more so a question of what skillsets you have and what you’re more capable of doing.
In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.
In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power catapult a far-right government into power for nearly a decade a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.
Yeah, more bombing of children. More Genocide. More torture prisons. More facism. More stealing from the working-class to give to the rich. More deportations.
If I had a nickel for every time people on lemmy discredited voting 3rd party or progressive candidates under the excuse of “muh RCV” or “vote blue no matter who”, I’d have enough money to bribe the DNC into splitting into multiple parties.
It’s so insane. They’ll yell about the genocide all day but then vote for the candidates supporting the genocide.
Who do they hate the most? Jill Stein, the candidate who opposes the genocide! Make it make sense.
Not only that, they’ll yell at the people who voted for anti-genocide candidates. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told that I voted for genocide, by vorting for an anti-genocide candidate.
Yeup, same here. They’re just trying to use the genocide now to guilt-trip voters who didn’t support Harris. Because her genocide would’ve been better, I guess??
She had an entire year to put her foot down and say, “This is fucked!” and the best thing she could say was “We gotta make a deal.” No details, no idea what kind of a deal. Oh, and lots of excuses for Israel.
If you actually want to make things better then you have to use methods that have a chance of actually working. We have overwhelming historical evidence showing that voting third-party doesn’t.
We also have overwhelming historical evidence that voting for the current batch of Democrats doesn’t work.
So you see no difference between 2021-2024 and what’s going on right now?
Of course I see a difference. I see the systems that the Democrats and Republicans built coming to fruition. I see the trends that the Democrats ignored increased. I see the societal problems from then tuned up a few notches, because the Democrats were too busy bombing kids, backing a genocide, and bailing out their rich friends to fix.
It really hasn’t been tried.
Except for Perot, Nader, Stein, etc, etc, etc. You’re right! If you ignore all the times it’s been tried, then it’s never been tried!
You said that “voting third party doesn’t work”. The vast majority of voters do not vote for alternative parties or candidates, so no, it hasn’t been tried.
Did you mean to say “Running third party doesn’t work”?
No, Pakistan does not have RCV. Hell they don’t even have a qualified election system with the amount of falsified ballots, yet the third party still defeated that system.
It can work, but the most important part in making it work is building the movement so that everyone votes for the third party in the same election. There’s no point in just voting third party and complaining that no one else is doing it.
That would take a monumental amount of effort. Much more than it would take to un-fuck one of the existing parties.
I don’t think it’s a question of amount of effort. Both undertakings would be monumental. It’s more so a question of what skillsets you have and what you’re more capable of doing.
In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.
Oh, FFS. You aren’t happy with being wrong about politics in just one country, are you?
Are you sure about that? We’ve been trying to unfuck the Democrats for decades, and look what it’s gotten us.
It’s gotten more than voting third party has.
Yeah, more bombing of children. More Genocide. More torture prisons. More facism. More stealing from the working-class to give to the rich. More deportations.
Are we winning yet?