Yeah those are fucking illegal where I live, as are prong collars and crating for long periods of time. All of those are animal abuse, and negative re-inforcement is a terrible way to train any animal anyway (humans included)
This is a tangent but I find it so sad when crate abuse happens to dogs, because my family’s dog loved his crate as a safe space. My dad was really firm that the kids weren’t allowed to cuddle the dog while they were in their crate, because it was important that the crate remained a safe space for the dog. It was cute to see how she would run there when scared by something like thunder and how it really seemed to help her anxiety.
We were fortunate in that there was a weirdly shaped nook where a decently large cage could fit naturally. It also helped that it had a large blanket draped over it. I imagine many people would struggle to find space for a sufficiently large cage (depending on how large the dog is), or to make it look unobtrusive.
I was less arguing in favour of dog cages, more arguing against the misuse of them.
I don’t know, I feel like those would be effective in training Trump not to be a pedo. Worth a shot at least. Say 10 years of daily training before we decide on its efficacy.
The good ones are adjustable and are not triggered by noise but by remote. The idea is to start with a very small level - something that basically triggers a neck muscle and distracts the dog from deep throating a sock.
When I first got one for my dog, it was after about three months of one-on-one training, followed by specific training for us humans on the correct way to use an e-collar.
Fun fact - the vibration is actually more scary/traumatic for your dog because it gives them an external sensation rather than the neck muscle twitch. I accidentally hit vibrate and my dog jumped about a foot in the air (I was mortified).
I’m fully expecting down votes, but for our rescue we really did use the e-collar as a last resort to try and adjust her learned behavior - stuff that is dangerous for her to do (like swallowing socks and hair ties that she’ll steal from on top of desks). She is utterly loved and pampered - she’s got a bed in every room of the house and gets bougie food, plus all the toys she could ever want.
We just wanted her to stop and listen when it’s super important.
Anyone who has tried other methods and had to resort to this because it’s the only thing that worked… That’s respectable effort.
Using an adjustable collar and slowly ramping up until it provides the desired effect is also key in my mind.
After that, as long as you’re not intentionally sitting on the remote until the collar runs out of power, I’m pretty okay with getting things done using the methods that are required to do it (as long as the outcomes are not illegal, that is).
Lovely dog. I’m glad you were able to provide a good home to them. Take care.
Almost the exact same situation here. I tested it on myself and it’s like a TENS unit. It’s been a few years and now we really only use the tone button. It was a lifesaver for training though.
I bought a shock collar and tried it on myself first. I never put it on my dog
Yeah those are fucking illegal where I live, as are prong collars and crating for long periods of time. All of those are animal abuse, and negative re-inforcement is a terrible way to train any animal anyway (humans included)
This is a tangent but I find it so sad when crate abuse happens to dogs, because my family’s dog loved his crate as a safe space. My dad was really firm that the kids weren’t allowed to cuddle the dog while they were in their crate, because it was important that the crate remained a safe space for the dog. It was cute to see how she would run there when scared by something like thunder and how it really seemed to help her anxiety.
I’m glad that worked for you!
I just think having a cage sitting in my house looks really ugly.
We were fortunate in that there was a weirdly shaped nook where a decently large cage could fit naturally. It also helped that it had a large blanket draped over it. I imagine many people would struggle to find space for a sufficiently large cage (depending on how large the dog is), or to make it look unobtrusive.
I was less arguing in favour of dog cages, more arguing against the misuse of them.
Yeah, my dog’s crate was basically his little apartment lol.
What about crating your children?
Asking for a friend.
Put a computer in their room and they will crate themselves.
I don’t know, I feel like those would be effective in training Trump not to be a pedo. Worth a shot at least. Say 10 years of daily training before we decide on its efficacy.
The good ones are adjustable and are not triggered by noise but by remote. The idea is to start with a very small level - something that basically triggers a neck muscle and distracts the dog from deep throating a sock.
When I first got one for my dog, it was after about three months of one-on-one training, followed by specific training for us humans on the correct way to use an e-collar.
Fun fact - the vibration is actually more scary/traumatic for your dog because it gives them an external sensation rather than the neck muscle twitch. I accidentally hit vibrate and my dog jumped about a foot in the air (I was mortified).
I’m fully expecting down votes, but for our rescue we really did use the e-collar as a last resort to try and adjust her learned behavior - stuff that is dangerous for her to do (like swallowing socks and hair ties that she’ll steal from on top of desks). She is utterly loved and pampered - she’s got a bed in every room of the house and gets bougie food, plus all the toys she could ever want.
We just wanted her to stop and listen when it’s super important.
You won’t get a down vote from me.
Anyone who has tried other methods and had to resort to this because it’s the only thing that worked… That’s respectable effort. Using an adjustable collar and slowly ramping up until it provides the desired effect is also key in my mind.
After that, as long as you’re not intentionally sitting on the remote until the collar runs out of power, I’m pretty okay with getting things done using the methods that are required to do it (as long as the outcomes are not illegal, that is).
Lovely dog. I’m glad you were able to provide a good home to them. Take care.
Almost the exact same situation here. I tested it on myself and it’s like a TENS unit. It’s been a few years and now we really only use the tone button. It was a lifesaver for training though.
She’s like “MMMMM GIMME SOCK”
Once she finds one, she’s laser focused on getting to it.
It didn’t work. That dog loved barking more than it disliked pain.