They had the chance to show how ridiculous trump was back then; when it might have made a difference with their “libertarian” fanbase. Instead they softballed any criticism of him. They showed who they really are, fuck em.
They had the chance to show how ridiculous trump was back then
???
Trump has always been obviously ridiculous. You guys need to get over this idea that the people voting for him are going to have some magical come-to-Jesus moment and join the rest of us in reality after watching an episode of South Park or reading a non-“sanewashed” news article.
I don’t expect anyone to have a come to Jesus moment. I did expect comedians who claim to hate both sides to actually act like it, rather than treat ASN obvious idiot with kid gloves when it actually mattered. Matt and Trey showed they are just Republicans who are to embarrassed to admit it with their entire 2016 election season.
It never mattered. It’s a comedy show, no one was going to change their vote based on it. How can you still not get it after two election wins and political influence spanning a decade?
In all honesty, is there any overlap between people who watch South Park and those who voted Trump? I can’t imagine that there are more than a handful.
Which is undeniably bad, but nowhere close to what Clinton had envisioned. Clinton wanted more of a second Iraq invasion style war and occupation for Iran.
you’re the only one extrapolating to hypotheticals. declaring something is bad doesn’t require you also provide/support some perfect alternative.
they just said trump actually did the thing you believe clinton would’ve done. y’know, hypothetically. hence why you were hit with the “shoulda woulda coulda”
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.
“That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,” Clinton said.
Her vote in support of invading Iraq followed the typical lies at the time:
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists including Al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should it be hard, but I cast it with conviction.”
WASHINGTON, April 22 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton warned Tehran on Tuesday that if she were president, the United States could “totally obliterate” Iran in retaliation for a nuclear strike against Israel.
On the day of a crucial vote in her nomination battle against fellow Democrat Barack Obama, the New York senator said she wanted Iranians to know what she was prepared to do as president in hopes of deterring an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel.
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.
Nice omission of context there, pal. Clinton has always had liberal hawk credentials, but I don’t see a realistic circumstance where she would have ever launched a ground invasion of Iran.
In addition, you’re going back to the 2008 primary there.
You think Netanyahu, who managed to string Trump along to attack Iran, wouldn’t have managed the same with a much more Hawkish Clinton? Israel wants the US to go to war with Iran since quite a while. It would have been much easier to push Clinton to commit to full blown war, than with Trump, who for the most part pulled troops out of the Middle East. Also we saw that Trump, after the bombing immediately wanted the whole thing to be done, claimed huge success and got a ceasefire between Israel and Iran going.
It is a low bar to meet, but Clinton would have made sure to drill a tunnel to pass through under it.
You think Netanyahu, who managed to string Trump along to attack Iran, wouldn’t have managed the same with a much more Hawkish Clinton?
More hawkish? Debateable in the context of Israel. In any case, this is an argument for them being the same, not different. And “attacking Iran” is not the same as occupying it as you initially claimed.
Also we saw that Trump, after the bombing immediately wanted the whole thing to be done, claimed huge success and got a ceasefire between Israel and Iran going.
And how do you know Clinton wouldn’t do this as well? What has Clinton said about Iran post-2016?
After their season long “both sides” trump/clinton fuckery in 2016, best I can do is a slow clap.
They had the chance to show how ridiculous trump was back then; when it might have made a difference with their “libertarian” fanbase. Instead they softballed any criticism of him. They showed who they really are, fuck em.
???
Trump has always been obviously ridiculous. You guys need to get over this idea that the people voting for him are going to have some magical come-to-Jesus moment and join the rest of us in reality after watching an episode of South Park or reading a non-“sanewashed” news article.
I don’t expect anyone to have a come to Jesus moment. I did expect comedians who claim to hate both sides to actually act like it, rather than treat ASN obvious idiot with kid gloves when it actually mattered. Matt and Trey showed they are just Republicans who are to embarrassed to admit it with their entire 2016 election season.
It never mattered. It’s a comedy show, no one was going to change their vote based on it. How can you still not get it after two election wins and political influence spanning a decade?
It did actually matter. Anyone who doesn’t realize that pop culture shapes peoples opinions is either lying to themselves or an idiot.
In all honesty, is there any overlap between people who watch South Park and those who voted Trump? I can’t imagine that there are more than a handful.
South Park Republicans are a thing so I’d assume there’s quite a few
Similar to the biker watcher that doesn’t understand that the biker episode was mocking them.
Clinton was avidly pro the US going to full blown war with Iran.
Compared to Clinton, Trump has shown restraint in foreign policy.
Fucking stupid Trump propaganda lies.
Trump bombed iran…
Which is undeniably bad, but nowhere close to what Clinton had envisioned. Clinton wanted more of a second Iraq invasion style war and occupation for Iran.
“It is nowhere as bad as these fictional scenarios I just concocted”.
Are you sure you want to use “Publicly stated positions and intentions” as a metric to defend trump ?
i mean, you could, it just seems like you might not have thought that all the way through.
The whole coulda, woulda, shoulda, doesn’t work. Trump declared war and bombed Iran. Its not the same.
By this logic you could also not claim that Clinton or Biden would not have done something Trump did, or had done something better instead.
Or we accept that consistent positions and behaviors of politicians can be extrapolated to hypothetical situations.
you’re the only one extrapolating to hypotheticals. declaring something is bad doesn’t require you also provide/support some perfect alternative.
they just said trump actually did the thing you believe clinton would’ve done. y’know, hypothetically. hence why you were hit with the “shoulda woulda coulda”
Negotiated the non proliferation agreement with Iran under Obama. Does that count?
What part of unilaterally bombing a nuclear facility in a country historically hostile to the US is restraint?
I can’t tell if you think that’s a good idea or not.
Compared to a full blown invasion, boots on the ground, two decades of occupation it is.
I am not saying that Trump has shown restraint. He only has shown restraint relative to Clinton
When exactly did Clinton commit to an invasion of Iran?
In her primary race against Obama:
https://www.reuters.com/article/economy/clinton-says-us-could-totally-obliterate-iran-idUSN22243327/
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.
“That’s a terrible thing to say but those people who run Iran need to understand that because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic,” Clinton said.
Her vote in support of invading Iraq followed the typical lies at the time:
https://awpc.cattcenter.iastate.edu/2017/03/09/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-speech-oct-10-2002/
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort and sanctuary to terrorists including Al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security. This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I’ve ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should it be hard, but I cast it with conviction.”
WASHINGTON, April 22 (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton warned Tehran on Tuesday that if she were president, the United States could “totally obliterate” Iran in retaliation for a nuclear strike against Israel.
On the day of a crucial vote in her nomination battle against fellow Democrat Barack Obama, the New York senator said she wanted Iranians to know what she was prepared to do as president in hopes of deterring an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel.
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” Clinton said in an interview on ABC’s “Good Morning America.”
“In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them,” she said.
Nice omission of context there, pal. Clinton has always had liberal hawk credentials, but I don’t see a realistic circumstance where she would have ever launched a ground invasion of Iran.
In addition, you’re going back to the 2008 primary there.
You think Netanyahu, who managed to string Trump along to attack Iran, wouldn’t have managed the same with a much more Hawkish Clinton? Israel wants the US to go to war with Iran since quite a while. It would have been much easier to push Clinton to commit to full blown war, than with Trump, who for the most part pulled troops out of the Middle East. Also we saw that Trump, after the bombing immediately wanted the whole thing to be done, claimed huge success and got a ceasefire between Israel and Iran going.
It is a low bar to meet, but Clinton would have made sure to drill a tunnel to pass through under it.
More hawkish? Debateable in the context of Israel. In any case, this is an argument for them being the same, not different. And “attacking Iran” is not the same as occupying it as you initially claimed.
And how do you know Clinton wouldn’t do this as well? What has Clinton said about Iran post-2016?
My brother in Christ, you need to put the pipe down before logging on.
Can you show us on the doll where reality touched you?
You said this like it was facts?
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edit: cool. I got censored for a really mild insult. Thanks reddit mod!
where do i even begin with you
Don’t. Not worth it.
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Disagree