• sodium_nitride [she/her, any]@hexbear.net
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    3 days ago

    People sell sex for money when the alternative is starvation and/or homelessness there exists money

    Prostitution literally can’t exist in a communist society. At best, you could exchange gifts for sex.

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      Prostitution literally can’t exist in a communist society. At best, you could exchange gifts for sex.

      When defined as you did, by necessitating that prostitution be about the exchange of sex for money, then true, it will not exist in a communist society. But if you define any kind of labor as something done in exchange for money, then that form of labor won’t exist under communism, considering communism is, you know, a moneyless society. What will you exchange for the labor done by a person who provides you a skilled, professional massage under communism? Not money, but that doesn’t mean that all masseuses and those who seek their skills will cease to exist.

      Sex work will still exist just as much as any service work will still exist.

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        But if you define any kind of labor as something done in exchange for money, then that form of labor won’t exist under communism

        Yes, that is the point. In a society of free producers the nature of production changes dramatically. Sex work under Communism ceases to be work and just becomes sex. Whether you do it with a stranger or a person you know does not change it. I mean, one-night stands exist under capitalism as well. Few people would call that prostitution except weirdos trying to shame women (and prostitutes).

        I guess you could call a full-time sex haver who I’d assigned to this role under the plan as a sex worker. But not only does this role seem dubious in a society where sexual activity is unrestricted, but also requires the communist society to have enough surplus labor to spend it as such.

        After all, the point of prostitution under class society, as engels puts it, is to be able to have sex without risking the a child who you then have to take care of, cause that child is the sex workers problem. These days, the loneliness crisis is also feeding into prostitution. But both reasons should be solved under Communism. Sex under Communism should just be fun, not a way to paper over social contradictions.

        What will you exchange for the labor done by a person who provides you a skilled, professional massage under communism?

        Nothing. Under higher stage Communism there is no exchange. Just a ration of labor you are allowed to use (assuming there is no full automation).

        Sex work will still exist just as much as any service work will still exist.

        A lot of service work might disappear under Communism. Not only due to automation, but also due to them having different social values and different social needs in a society where present day contradictions are resolved. Sex work as you describe it may still exist for various reasons, but it might not as well.