It’s never about winning the war. The pouring of a horrifying amount of money is the point.
Fuck I love Margaret Killjoy and company!
The US doesn’t always lose. They won against the indigenous peoples in the Indian Wars (1775-1924).
The “war on drugs” was never about winning. It was about funneling public money into private pockets and about scaring the populace into compliance. Same with the immigration bullshit.
Let me introduce you to the racist motive
The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.
- John Ehrlichman, President Nixon’s Domestic Policy Cheif. (Harper’s Magazine)
winning the war isnt the goal
“The US will always do the right thing… after having exhausted all other possibilities.”
Does Vicky think Russia is losing the war?
They certainly haven’t won
It is kind of a weird take when Russia has captured quite a bit of land. Sure, it’s costing them a lot (you might even say in inordinate sum), but characterizing them as losing is a hard sell.
They are losing right now…they can’t actually replace the airplanes and other resources, due to their economy slowly crashing.
So that will be their undoing. Dad is going to get a reality check soon (=
“Terror”. The US loves waging unwinnable wars against inanimate objects (drugs) and feelings (terror) lol totally irrational.
In what universe did they lose the war on drugs? Marijuana never got rescheduled. People still get their lives ruined over it. It’s impossible to consume cannabis and be gainfully employed at the same time in the US and a sickening majority of people STILL believe this is how things should be. Corporations collude together to make sure they’re all using the exact same drug testing procedures so that really valuable people can’t just decide to go somewhere that treats them better. Yet they do nothing to fight with or systematically harm people who consume alcohol when off duty or come into work hungover.
All the states with lower costs of living are still allowed to put people in jail for possession. And people fight to keep it this way. They made Florida ballot initiatives need a 60% to pass just to defeat the recent marijuana amendment and NO ONE FUCKING CARED. This is far from “losing” the war on drugs.
The drugs are still here. More than never before. Doesn’t matter if the war is still raging. They aren’t going away.
I guess I’m going to have to tell all the people at my company and my friends’ workplaces that they can’t be gainfully employed while they use weed as their primary or (increasingly often) only intoxicant.
Maybe we should coin a new term: blue state privilege. Some people need to be reminded that just because it’s legal in your state, and your company doesn’t test for it, the majority of states still don’t have recreational use and the companies there still test for it. Crazy how in the land of the free, the privileged ones living in the highest cost of living states which also happen to be liberal can smoke it freely while the rest of us get a criminal record and/or fired.
Know your enemy
I know who the enemy is, but while they’re busy holding the country hostage cannabis reform has completely stalled, and in some states is going into reverse. Be grateful you don’t live in a fascist hotzone watching your freedoms being taken away. Be grateful you can smoke a fucking hemp preroll without risking a felony and ten years in prison. Living in a place like this means I’m less free and basically a second class citizen. And unlike most of you I can’t just get a cushy WFH job paying like 70k a year. I’m stuck living with my shitty dysfunctional family making $300 a week (more like $60 a week now because of summer) humiliating myself and constantly getting treated like shit delivering food via app based jobs because I’m too stupid and possibly autistic to land a real one. Even people working in fast food and retail who are ten-twelve years younger than me are better than me in that sense. This world is a shithole and I’m uniquely ill equipped to thrive in it, so I turned to weed for many years to help me cope while I was still living in a legal state. The one thing that distracted me from my hellish existence is being taken away from me, and it seems like nobody in the legal states gives a shit what happens to those outside their borders. I may have a criminal record soon because of fucking HEMP!!! Living in a place I never in a million years would’ve chosen to live in because the alternative was homelessness. I’m straight up not having a good time.
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Well just like with War on Drugs is not about winning. It’s about making as much money off of it as you can. Note they didn’t try to address the problems with immigration. They didn’t change the Green Card system. They didn’t expand the number of immigration judges. They didn’t do anything except fund ice and fund more detention centers which are privately run at extremely huge markups.
And prison slavery is legal. Guess who will be working the farms
Edit: it’s legal.
Prison slavery is technically illegal, but they are paid incredibly meager wages to where it’s essentially legal slavery.
I meant to say prison slavery is legal
The bloated ICE budget isn’t just to wage war against immigrants, it’s also because they realized the military wouldn’t side with them if they tried to seize/retain power. Now they have a massive, well-funded army of racist thugs that answers only to them, sidestepping the Constitution and chain-of-command entirely.
This is like the SS in 1920s germany, right?
It was the SA back then, the brownshirts. But I think the inspiration is more the Rosgvardiya in Russia
The military are actually trained though. There’s no point trying to train these guys they are military rejects.
The US military versus these guys would be more farcical than anything else.
The point is that the military will sit it out since they can’t be deployed domestically
Why not? Trump just deployed them to LA and got away with it. He could do it again. The courts have proven about a dozen times since the election that they will not hold him accountable for blatant constitutional violations. Half of congress is on his side so they will never hold him accountable either. There’s nobody left to stop him from doing whatever he wants.
If the US gets to that point I don’t think those rules will apply anymore.
not if the protesters are declared foreign agents/a civil war is declared.
look at the Syrian, Sudanese and Egyptian revolutions
Don’t forget Afghanistan.
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The war was not lost there, it was pretty quickly won. The reconstruction was lost.
I‘d say it was a very long fought war against the Taliban, who managed to survive and eventually won since they are in charge now.
At this point, after seeing that new budget, I’m just trying to think of ways to defraud the shit out of ICE. They’re going to be writing checks without even glancing at the PO unless it’s over 10 million
Send their office an invoice for whatever, they’ll probably just pay it.
Make sure to also provide the service. Otherwise you could get in trouble for fraud.
That has to be a market for XXL bulletproof vests. Although it’s the US so that’s probably already a thing.
Vietnam was not lost, it was abandoned.
So true bestie.
Unrelated, but the other day, someone cornered me in an alley with a gun and demanded I hand over my wallet - but I didn’t lose to them! I simply put my hands up and abandoned my wallet, very different.
Lol, lmao even
We retreated after taking massive losses and accomplishing none of our strategic objectives, unless you consider sending a generation of youth, poisoning the land for generations, and committing countless atrocities to be the real objectives, rather than the stated goal of preventing Vietnam, a country that is still communist to this day, from becoming communist?
I know it’s going to hurt when lemmy tries to smack the liberal out of you but we will still love you in the end
It was absolutely lost.
