It’s quite possible they fudged the numbers enough to get a win, but they definitely didn’t fake having 80 million-ish people supporting them. Even if Harris had barely squeaked out a win, this would just keep happening every election. The massive support shows me that fascism here was inevitable. Our fascist hellhole has to crash and burn for us to have any chance of becoming something better from the ashes.
I’m only chiming in because I suspect that crashing and burning won’t actually help much.
It’s too easy for humans to disassociate ‘other people’, at which point, anything can happen.
Sure, crashing and burning might lead to a better system to work with, but that basically happened to Germany a while back and they seem to be struggling with a fascist rise lately… Seems like constant vigilance might be needed given our insecurities that drive us
Oh for sure, but we know 46% of people who voted are insane, dumb and/or easily manipulated. It’s that “who voted” part that makes a difference. Fascism is never inevitable.
It was for us because of the capitalist dystopia our government chose to pursue. If Trump being elected the first time didn’t convince people it’s a bad idea, nothing would. They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing and the very thing that this country was originally founded to avoid.
They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing
This is such a frustrating and consistent issue. Every time I hear a story about a conservative changing their opinion, it’s because the consequences of their actions affected them or someone related to them. They can’t simply imagine how the consequences will play out or be bothered to care when it hurts their neighbors.
And even then, there’s like a 50/50 chance that they’ll just blame the Democrats for it and vow to keep voting for Republicans.
It’s quite possible they fudged the numbers enough to get a win, but they definitely didn’t fake having 80 million-ish people supporting them. Even if Harris had barely squeaked out a win, this would just keep happening every election. The massive support shows me that fascism here was inevitable. Our fascist hellhole has to crash and burn for us to have any chance of becoming something better from the ashes.
I’m only chiming in because I suspect that crashing and burning won’t actually help much.
It’s too easy for humans to disassociate ‘other people’, at which point, anything can happen.
Sure, crashing and burning might lead to a better system to work with, but that basically happened to Germany a while back and they seem to be struggling with a fascist rise lately… Seems like constant vigilance might be needed given our insecurities that drive us
There’s definitely a good chance we’ll go right back to this shit in a few generations, assuming we get out of it this time.
“The price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”
Ay, that’s the quote I was grasping for!
Oh for sure, but we know 46% of people who voted are insane, dumb and/or easily manipulated. It’s that “who voted” part that makes a difference. Fascism is never inevitable.
Democrats should’ve ran an actual leftist candidate.
FPTP should also be abolished so you lot aren’t stuck with Dems vs Reps in the first place.
It was for us because of the capitalist dystopia our government chose to pursue. If Trump being elected the first time didn’t convince people it’s a bad idea, nothing would. They have to experience the horrors of it firsthand to hopefully get it through their thick skulls why it’s a bad thing and the very thing that this country was originally founded to avoid.
This is such a frustrating and consistent issue. Every time I hear a story about a conservative changing their opinion, it’s because the consequences of their actions affected them or someone related to them. They can’t simply imagine how the consequences will play out or be bothered to care when it hurts their neighbors.
And even then, there’s like a 50/50 chance that they’ll just blame the Democrats for it and vow to keep voting for Republicans.