This is so pathetic now. US companies does " pretend" to storage data in Europe, then, 4 years later a couple of them are found out they did not (others did too but were not found to doing so) and an investigation and lawsuit is brought up and 6 years later found guilty and penalized a maximum of 10% of profits for that year (so effectively 1% profit/yr cost of business). Profits brought by the breach of European safeguards… tens times more than the potential penalties. Any CEO has to, by law, give the maximum profits to their investors, and they are just doing that.
But of course, the EU just won’t do that litigation dance with the Chinese companies, the EU knows well it is just a scam to pretend doing something to protect europeans… to Chinese companies, because US does not like, the EU just ban them. The EU will never ban a US company, no matter how many violations they do.
There are differences which prove that GDPR is far from perfect, but lightyears better from what the US permits.
Eg. M$ US
vs M$ EU (Germany)
Oh for sure! No doubt, at least makes people conscious of that. Now, the larger companies don’t have any problem bypassing the EU law and the incentives are mainly untouched for them to change.
The gdpr isn’t exactly something you quite easily bupass…
Exactm every company in the RU is forced by law to fullfit the minimum of the GDPR to be able to sell their product, the fines are high, even for Google, MS and META, Nusk even said taking X out of the EU (I would approve it).
Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?
Three of them are (I assume) great for usage but disastrous regard privacy and data.
chatgpt and gemini gather data for the US govt, which is the one actively fucking europe over at the moment. so clearly, deepseek is what they need to worry about.
AFAIK per EU law the collected data has to stay in data centers in the EU, ChatGPT and Gemini at least pretend to conform while Deepseek explicitly states that the data is stored in Chinese data centers.
Genuine question; what’s the difference between DeepSeek gathering data and for example ChatGPT or Gemini?
because China bad and USA good :(
I mean we can generally agree that China is worse. That doesn’t mean we should willingly donate our data to the US, but if you have to choose between amputating your foot or your little toe it’s an easy decision.
I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.
Can we? Which country had open sourced it’s models and weightings so that the LLM can be run locally and spyfree?
All of them?
Where is the ChatGPT repository?
France, Mistral. There are also many others in US and worldwide.
China is worse when comparing many other factors, but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os, then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.
There are also many others in US and worldwide.
We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
China is worse when comparing many other factors
Again, not an opinion everyone agrees on. And this very much depends on which factors are cherry picked.
but if ALL you care about is whether the model weights are os,
If you want privacy then you need to run locally, and to run locally all you do care about is model weights.
then it is usually not decided by countries, but rather companies.
Not sure why this dimension is worth adding to the discussion.
We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
You asked “which countries”.
not an opinion everyone agrees on.
Only people who don’t have their heads buried in the sand. You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US. I literally don’t believe you. You’re a bot or a paid actor.
You asked “which countries”.
Countries and LLM model providers associated with those countries.
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All openai data goes to the NSA
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Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.
You can’t possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US.
When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.
But if you are introducing other factors, ask an Iranian what they prefer; money from China or bombs from the US and vassal states?
The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.
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We are comparing chatGPT and Deepseek.
Then why are you asking binary questions about countries? Meta released open source models and weights way before DeepSeek, but I guess that wouldn’t fit into your “China is better” narrative so we’ll just pretend Llama never happened.
Then why are you asking binary questions about countries
Because a highly opinionated binary statement was made about China. I’m not saying China is better than the US. I’m saying it’s not worse.
I run deepseek locally so obviously I appreciate that they made that decision, but let’s not pretend that something can’t be given away for free with bad intentions. People running LLMs locally are a drop in the bucket compared to people just downloading an app.
Bad intentions?
The Chinese governmentDeepseek showed that the OpenAI emperor had no clothes.I have no idea what point you’re trying to make. That means they have good intentions with the data they’re collecting about the users of their mobile apps?
That mean they have at least less bad intentions than chatgpt at least the opened their model on contrary of chatgpt.
The point I’m trying to make is that I don’t think the CCP cares about the users of deepseek mobile app when they already have an ocean of data from tiktok. That’s the real trojan horse.
Mobile access to an LLM is a similarity. The big difference between chatgpt and deepseek is the open model weights.
I mean we can generally agree that China is worse.
We cannot agree, “comrade.”
We? More like we…stern imperialists
US oligarchs have serious sway within EU and Germany in particular. They get their way.
Yes but you see a white man having control of your data is much better than a colored one!
They can pretty easily just pass a law banning it and Apple and Google will remove it from the German app store
This is just xenophobia and political posturing, actual policy is too much to ask.
but why? there is not valid reason to remove only DeepSeek, they should remove AI all together including Gemini and ChatGPT
It’s a cold war thing
Okay, then tell them that. I’m just saying urging is stupid. Lawmakers can make laws.
Everyone here knows that not how policy is made.
US corpos tell EU what they need, EU does it. China does not have such sway with EU with some exceptions.
Your regime whore politician would not take a piss on you, if you were on fire.
Germany’s going hard right again. Severe crackdowns on civil rights are escalating. They’re arresting people for posting criticism of political efforts online, ramping up their military, pushing far-right politicians into office, etc.
Time to eradicate the Nazis again.
I’m from Spain, we also have problems with nazis, but not so as in Germany, but our left gov has a hard time with these hooligans.
Bist du dumm oder sowas?
Cope lol
ramping up their military
Naive take on this point tbh… Germany is being forced by its allies to do its share for the alliance. I am sure Germany’s nazi nepo baby leadership would rather be buying Russian gas right now to drive its industrial base but geopolitics are a bitch lol
thank you for gracing us with an example of how a thirteen year old understands the world
Cute
