Who fucking cares. If you are dumb enough to do the shit, then die.
Fortunately there is a 100% natural plant based alternative to vaping.
*New study shows one brand of disposable vapes causes higher lead exposure than cigarettes
Since the toxins are transmitted via the aerosols: can there something be said about the effect on involuntary “passive smokers”?
PLEASE stop using disposable vapes.
I quit cigarettes 10 yrs ago and had been exclusively using the old school refillable box mods. The kinds with big clouds, not the nic salts like disposables. I was doing fine, great even, for the last ten.
But this past year, after picking up those disposables, I kept having breathing problems. I would stop using them for like two weeks before I picked them up again. The cycle finally led to me going into atrial fibrillation, a cardiac emergency. Had to have my heart shocked. in my 30s!
I ended up quitting nicotine entirely now. it was surprisingly easy to quit! once you wanna do it, it’s already done. as long as you don’t mope about it and celebrate it instead. it’s easier than the whiners would have you believe!
My grandfather wakes up in the hospital after his third heart attack. The Doc comes over and says “you’ll need to stop smoking or else” and my grandad asked “or else what?” The Doc leaned forward and stared him dead in the eyes “Sudden death”
Apparently it worked. He said he never smoked after that
Wow, congratulations for quitting. And thank you for spreading the message.
Can I ask: What caused you to go from refillable box to disposable? And what is the draw to them?Great question. I used both concurrently. The reason for the disposable: accessibility.
The old school vapes are just getting harder and harder to find. I had to order parts online. The juice companies were getting shut down. I didn’t want to give up my addiction, and I felt so much better on vapes than i had on cigarettes, so I figured it was fine. (Nicotine alone is a bitch to your heart, though…)
I started trying out the disposables because they were readily available. I could pick one up anywhere, I didn’t have to bring juice around with me, no giant batteries or kits to maintain on the go… and in exchange a much harsher hit.
this also led to me doubling my nicotine strength. I had been using 3mg juice for ovet a year by then, but all the disposables measure out to 6mg. Nothing weaker was available. had to switch to stronger stuff on the box mod.
it pisses me off how much they enshittified vaping. it was a really cool and helpful tool that got me off of tobacco. but they started targeting it at minors. instead of rich savory flavors you get all this fruity menthol crap that middle schoolers like. you get tiny vapes with flashy blinking light and fixed high potency. you get bans on it, and regulations/fees so strict that indie vape companies that started this shit for people like me now have to shut down.
oh well. it was all a facade anyway. nicotine itself is the problem. it pushes your systems into overdrive and then wears you out on seconds, until you cant even be at homeostasis without nicotine in your system. the joy of smoking is just the temporary relief of withdrawal. it’s like wearing a pair of tight shoes just so you can enjoy taking them off for 5 minutes. I’m done living my life in withdrawals. so happy to be free! (and it was honestly fucking easy, you all can do it too)
They’re worse in one particular way, which isn’t the most significant way that cigarettes cause harm. They’re not worse overall. Vaping has been a major public-health success story, and it’s odd to see people trying to discourage it with misleading headlines. The perfect is the enemy of the good here.
Yeah except smoking rates have increased since the invention of vapes. It if was strickly people smoking cigarettes swapping to vapes then maybe we could call it a success
I admit I don’t see people vaping as a major problem. The harm is not so severe that it overcomes my inclination to let people make their own choices. This is especially so when the harm is not intrinsic to the act but rather the result of contamination.
You can always count on the tobacco companies to turn a useful tool into something evil.
Tobacco / Nicotine lobbyist AI, right? You guys are making billions from all the addicts slowly killing themselves. As long as they stay alive long enough to turn a profit though.
Would you like a cupcake recipe?
I wouldn’t mind your favorite cupcake recipe
Unlike an AI, I don’t actually know how to make cupcakes.
They’re also a worse pollutant. Policies that favor disposable vapes over refillable ones are a travesty but ultimately disposable vapes are far more profitable for big tobacco.
Vaping has been a major public-health success story
WHO disapproves of electronic nicotine delivery systems.
https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/tobacco-e-cigarettes
Oh really, guess I’ll go back to cigarettes then.
And they’re talking about cheap Chinese gas station vapes here. If you use quality coils, there won’t be lead at all.
Hell yeah lead poisoning is back in vogue baby!
TL;DR, Researchers found non-safe levels of heavy metals from vapes, particularly lead and antimony. Paper states that a days use of a vape is the equivalent to 19 packs of cigarettes for lead exposure.
Maybe in a another couple thousand years we’ll finally learn to avoid it
No wonder young men are more stupid and violent than they have been in a long time! /s
Are they? I was under the impression that violence has been trending downward for some time.
I included the “/s” to attempt to make clear I was being mildly sarcastic. If you’re unfamiliar, it’s supposed to be a reference to old HTML coding, and a slash would denote the end of a programming statement. “/s” has been shorthand for a long time for “this is the end of a sarcastic statement.” Hope that helps make it make more sense!
Yeah, I got that. The mild sarcasm part. As in “I still half believe this statement but I’m saying it with a silly face for plausible deniability” sarcasm that people typically employ when it comes to topics like these
Ultimately doesn’t matter but the snarky response is unwarranted
That was not intended as snarky, just so you know. I was genuinely trying to be helpful, because I thought perhaps that’s why you were confused.
The researchers tested flavored and “clear” versions of three of the most popular products — Esco Bar, Flum Pebble, and ELF Bar — and found “excessive emissions of toxic metallic elements” in the aerosols from each of them.
All three of which are from the same company. I’m not seeing any information there about where these are manufactured, but if I guessed China, I probably wouldn’t be wrong.
Does this mean the emissions that are inhaled by the user, or the emissions that are exhaled?
Are any not made there?
Eta: I’m not sure this is a manufacturer as much as a dealer.
Oh yeah, that’s what I meant. I’m sure they’re not making them themselves. They’re sourcing them from overseas somewhere for sure.
The closest thing you should hit to one of those is a pulsar 420dl.
Weed carts > niccy capes any day.
Especially if you got a good source on dabs so you can make you own.
If you’ve got a good source of dabs, abandon the carts and get a concentrate vape like the pax 3 with concentrate adapter. The carts often have cheap heating elements with lots of nasty stuff contaminating them.
I’ve tried but they never seem to vaporize right.
Might try one again w/ cart juice (cooked dabs + pyur thinner).
Either way not really compatible with discretely hitting 0.3g a day at work, since ya gotta keep refilling those XP
I’ve done really well with the pax 3. I actually think it does better hits that a dab rig. It does need regular cleaning and the higher temp
if you’re hooked on nicotine and you havent tried them, then give nicotine pouches a try. i switched to them from vaping and all the asthma went away overnight. plus no one knows when you’ve got one under your lip
Everyone knows when you have one under your lip
ok. i’ve never been asked to “go outside to nicotine pouch” so whatever
Hey man can I bum a pouch?
lol didn’t even think about that–another bonus of the pouches. since no one knows you’re using them (but seriously, no one fucking knows you’ve got one under your lip), then no one knows who to go up to and beg one from.
i miss smoking, but do not miss that shit
Funniest statement I’ve read today 🏆
Lol extremely untrue
Do they offer low-nicotine ones to wean off? Or are you just limiting yourself to oral cancers instead of oral, lung, etc.?
I find the pouches really easy to quit cold turkey, so there’s not really a need to ween off once you’ve switched to them, but it is an option with pouches ranging from stupidly high to almost no nicotine content. It does suck for the first day not using them, but by day 3 I’ve completely forgotten they exist. Totally different experience quitting pouches vs a vape.
I’ve quit and picked up the habit several times, mainly because they’re so easy to quit that I don’t see a huge harm in using them again after a long period without. I wouldn’t touch a vape again because it was such an effort and pain to quit.
Also nicotine isn’t a carcinogen (tobacco is), and nicotine pouches are not linked to any cancer risk. Nicotine is basically as harmful as caffeine.
Nicotine products in general have been linked to reproductive harms such as stillbirth, premature birth, and low birth weight. Conversely, non-tobacco-based nicotine pouches (also known as “nic pouches”) are classified as non-carcinogenic since nicotine itself is not a carcinogen. However, they are still harmful to cardiovascular health due to their nicotine content, and are associated with moderately higher risk of cardiovascular disease, stroke, and reproductive harms.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus
Nicotine itself is currently classified as non-carcinogenic according to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, and according to the Royal College of Physicians nicotine in itself is not a hazardous drug. In turn, it is hypothesized that if nicotine can be delivered without tobacco and smoke inhalation, most, if not all of the harm of smoking can be avoided. However, if not carcinogenic, nicotine is still moderately harmful to cardiovascular health, therefore long-term use of non-tobacco nicotine pouches very likely causes higher risks for cardiovascular diseases, stroke, and reproductive harms.
Yes, they do offer them in varying levels of nicotine. I decided about a month ago to stop vaping after doing it daily for 10 years. Ordered some patches and some gum, and while I was waiting on those I tried the pouches. They do work and you can get them in lower strengths to wean yourself off.
If your goal is to quit nicotine entirely, be careful that you don’t just fully swap one addiction for another. I’m still working on getting off of the pouches, but it’s getting better, and my lungs feel so much better now.
NRT is a scam and your addiction is the scammer. You’re trying to stop poisoning yourself and you think you need a substitute for the poison! This isn’t benzos we’re talking about here, Nicotine has a half life of max two hours. The withdrawal is not that bad at all, it’s over within four days! I just reached 87 hrs nicotine free and it was a breeze, no titration or NRT or antidepressants or anything.
JUST DO IT!!
I think the hard part is if you’re the type to crave nicotine when you’re extremely stressed out. I go through cycles where I’ll quit nicotine for a year or so, and then something really difficult would happen in my life and I’ll start back up again.
This is why you shouldn’t be acting judgemental and giving advice about “how easy it is” to kick an addiction that you yourself have only abstained from for 3 whole days.
To be clear this is directed at the person you’re responding to not you personally.
To help put things in perspective, the researchers compared the health risks of disposable e-cigarettes to other types of smoking, and found that Esco Bar devices released more lead during a day’s use than 19 packs of traditional cigarettes.
This is salt based liquid though
And? The metals come from the metal components of the vaporizer itself.
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I got dv’d to the ninth circle of hell for saying this, some months ago. I wouldn’t have said it if my Dr hadn’t said they had the opportunity to look at deceased smoker’s lungs next to deceased vaper’s lungs. I left out that part, but still.
The smoker lungs may have had more tar build up and scarring, you cant necessarily visually see the lead and other heavy metals from vaping on the vapers lungs, especially if those are entering the bloodstream and being distributed throughout the body.
Doc said they were atrophied and scarred. Listen, my health is on me, everyone else’s is on them. I shared what information I have from a verified source, if people reject it, they will have to deal with any consequences, just as I will.
“Drinking poison may be a mistake, but that doesn’t mean you escape the consequences.” Duquette
And?
I’ll trust someone with four years undergrad, four years medical education, and 3+ years of residency over random internet users.
My point is that you haven’t said what your doctor told you.
Because I had no proof of a conversation, but the study anyone could see for themselves
That’s why you got downvoted and the study got upvoted.
I cited a study instead, since they could look for themselves, and people were saying it didn’t say that, and while it didn’t say it explicitly, it definitely listed findings that would lead to that conclusion, while also saying we can’t know longer term effects yet. I get it, we defend our pleasures, no need to be outright delulu though.
For instance, I have a faith, while also admitting there’s no evidence for it, but like the general message.
