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- politics@lemmy.world
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- politics@lemmy.world
- China’s finance ministry on Friday said it will impose a 34% tariff on all goods imported from the U.S. starting on April 10.
- The ministry criticized Washington’s decision to impose 34% of additional reciprocal levies on China — bringing total U.S. tariffs against the country to 54% — as “inconsistent with international trade rules.”
- U.S. stock futures and European markets fell sharply on news of the reciprocal tariffs.
This again? Taiwan isn’t a recognized country. So they would not be interfering with a nation. IF you disagree with that, petition your own country to recognize Taiwan. The funniest thing is I’m Taiwanese and frankly the Taiwanese don’t want independence at this point. That’s why the Taiwanese congress is majority status quo and about 50/50 on independence and actually returning to China. The reason president Lai won is because the split is so strong that a 40% vote for Lai got him the win. A few more from the people who wanted status quo voted for him instead of Hou at 34%. Yet if you saw what congress did immediately after, which is handcuff him from ever declaring independence, you’ll know the will of the Taiwanese.
So all that is to say, no China won’t be attacking Taiwan either. That’s just nonsense noise from the west, which frankly I as a Taiwanese person is absolutely sick of. The agreement is simple, Taiwan doesn’t declare independence and China will at most saber rattle.
*Edit: Oh and what’s not reported is that right after Congress did that, China started a charm offensive. Inviting the former head of the KMT to China and undoing travel restrictions for Taiwanese citizens. So yeah, the war is only in your head, not ours.
Edit 2:. Loving. The down votes for a Taiwanese person explaining to a westerner what our actual opinions are. Why don’t you all westsplain to me how I should feel.
Still.
Still what? I’ve already explained China isn’t attacking. And if you would like Taiwan to be independent petition your own government.
How do you feel about the other aggressive things China is doing? Like attacking boats with water cannons because they just claim an area? Or dumping sand somewhere to make an island to claim the area? Or actual fighting and deaths over territories with India?
I think we have already established your view on Taiwan, which is hardly compatible with the general population.
That’s a bad take. Independence should be in the view of the people living there. I’m not going to gauge if Taiwan is a country based on if I can convince the US to recognize them, that’s nonsense garbage logic
Is it? So you’re for the independence of Barcelona? Hawaii? Ireland? Falken Islands? When do they get to choose?
yes
So you think that we should have split off America during the Jan 6th riots? At what point is a country a country and needs to defend it’s existence and when is it not?
i can only hope for the collapse of the state, but in general i wish that upon every state that has so failed its people
So anarchy? Every time anarchy happens dictatorships follow. If the country is lucky, they’ll eventually have a representative government. You can look at the history of Israeli Kibbutz to see how anarchy and communism fails. The problem with your idealism, which frankly if I could have my perfect world wouldn’t look all that different, is that it’s impossible. It’s been tried over and over to various levels of failure.
All I’m doing is trying to explain the situation, I’m not trying to give a right or wrong to it. YOU are assuming I am.
Reported as propaganda, but here’s the thing… Technically correct is the best kind of correct, right?
Only 12 agencies recognize Taiwan as an independent state. TWELVE. A short enough list that I can copy/paste it:
Belize, Guatemala, Haiti, Holy See (Vatican), Marshall Islands, Palau, Paraguay, St Lucia, St Kitts and Nevis, St Vincent and the Grenadines, Eswatini and Tuvalu.
That’s it. Even the US doesn’t explicitly recognize an independent Taiwan. The UN rejected membership in 2007.
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/world/united-nations/68163/how-taiwan-lost-its-place-at-the-un
Huh? I’m confused that’s my point.
Origjnal comment was reported, probably for the whole “Taiwan isn’t a recognized country”. As noted, that’s largely a true statement.
Oh I see what you’re saying now. Yes, I am saying if you’re going to argue against my China doesn’t militarily support actions by other countries against sovereign nations, then you can’t use Taiwan as an example to counter my point as other countries do not recognize Taiwan.
could you provide some evidence you’re Taiwanese in Taiwan?
I already did, look through my comments.
then you are the only Chinese person I’ve ever heard say “Hans Chinese”
Wait, when did I say I’m Chinese?
you said you’re Taiwanese above, do you consider yourself Taiwanese and not Chinese?
That’s correct. Like I said, westerners have no understanding of what the Taiwanese people want or think. And instead of understanding, they make grand statements about what we want without our input. Again, if you look at the voting, we voted heavily in favor of status quo, which is what I want. If you look at polls, Taiwanese people consider themselves Taiwanese. It’s confusing to people like you because you want it to be black and white, we are fine with shades of gray. Mostly though, I want people to stop talking for us.
that’s legit, as an anarchist i want peoples to be able to speak for themselves. I’m not finding referendums about independence, though, just polling from the NSC / ECCU that suggests a split between maintaining status quo and gradually moving towards independence
I mean if you ask Taiwanese people in the very long run would it be nice if Taiwan is independent I would argue probably 70% would agree with that. But we’re fine with that not happening for hundreds of years if so be it. We’re mostly fine with the situation the way it is right now. Which is exactly why I dislike people bringing up Taiwan whenever they talk about China. First it’s always about war, second it’s always about us wanting an independence we’re not actually thinking about within our lifetimes. Taiwan only becomes a hot zone IF the US makes it a hot zone. China has stated they have no plans to take Taiwan by force unless necessary and will prepare a strong enough military by 2027 to fight the US. The US has taken that to mean China will invade in 2027. What China is really saying is we’re going to be so strong that Taiwan would want to return. I don’t think that’s true. Most Taiwanese people do not want to return. However, if USA keeps doing what it’s doing, Taiwan may U-turn. There’s a lot of unhappiness right now about America. BUT that’s also why we like the status quo. We see the winds changing. We want the best opportunities for ourselves regardless of who leads the world.
This is exactly what happens on every .ml or hexbear discussion when someone mentions Ukraine, BTW.
Your comment history certainly doesn’t paint you as a Taiwanese individual. More as an American who is desperate to make China look as good as possible…
Tankie. That user is a tankie.
I mean they are from .ml, being a tankie was assumed
To be honest I’ve been waiting for someone to try to call me out on this. Here’s my passport
Full respect to the photo. I may not 100% agree but I respect taking the photo for proof.
You know, I’m confused what people are disagreeing with. I’ve only stated facts.
Sudan and Myanmar are completely under China’s sphere of influence. They are both in the middle of a civil war. China has done nothing and supplied both sides.
Taiwan has consistently stated they want the status quo. Congress is heavily in favor of that. So much so they made a law to handcuff the president from declaring.
China has repeatedly stated they believe Taiwan will aquiesce peacefully and will only invade if Taiwan unilaterally declares independence.
Thus, in a situation where China is the sole hegemony, China knows they are right about Taiwan and will simply wait out Taiwan. If the world is under Chinese sphere of influence we’ll see a massive uptick in civil wars.
It really doesn’t help that China has been a hot topic, for decades. You can say nothing but the simple truth and someone will call it propaganda or say you’re a paid shill, for saying something consistently known as truth.
Well the weirdest thing to me is I am saying China becoming the world’s super power will lead to genocide. Not caused by China itself, but by China’s inactions. And my proof is historical from Sudan and Myanmar. Yet people are calling me a pro-China shill? It’s odd at best.
The problem is you’re not saying the magic words. Actually parsing an argument is out of fashion, so you gotta sprinkle your posts with stuff like “free Taiwan” or “fuck Putin” or whatever, so
the LLMtheypaste your posts into to summarise themcan understand them.Happens to a lot of people, you’re not alone in this.