I don’t know if you’ve picked up on this or not, but I’m a Marxist, I’ve seen the Wikipedia pages for everything you’ve linked, and actually read beyond Wikipedia. One of the books I linked, Soviet Democracy, is even listed as a source on Wikipedia’s page on Soviet Democracy (go figure).
Either way, liberals, fascists, and Tsarists were indeed kicked out of the party, imprisoned, or sentenced to death, depending on the severity of their crimes.
I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make here, I already openly stated that the Soviet Union wasn’t a mythical wonderland, my position is that it was Socialist and working towards Communism, none of which you seem to have contested. What are you trying to get at?
As I said, the argument was if the USSR was autocratic. Noone disagrees rather or not they were socialists nor they make offical statments they intended on working toward communism.
But its very clear that the leadership was very autocratic and anti-democractic and only accepted undying loyalty.
It isn’t clear at all, actually, and your dedication to vaguely gesture at Wikipedia articles doesn’t discredit that. I don’t see how not allowing liberals, fascists, or Tsarists into government is synonymous with “only accepting undying loyalty.”
I mean, im not the one trying to make a claim that they were democratic while forbiding any ideology that opposes theirs. The mental gymnastics involved here could be the next Olympic event.
Fascism, Capitalism, and Monarchism should be allowed within a Socialist system why? The economy was far more democratic than under the Tsars or under the current Russian Federation. Democracy doesn’t have to include freedom for fascists, the bougeoisie, or monarchists, and in fact shouldn’t for the Proletariat to have full control.
Who is the proletariat but people? What if they wanted any of those things? Their ideas are qlworthless because they dont fit your very narrow view? You are no better than the US republicans who label everyone they dont like as “communists”.
The Proletariat is the people indeed, and the people supported the purges. They had already spent years in a civil war against the Tsarists, were invaded by 14 Capitalist nations, and fascists in Nazi Germany were killing Communists from day 1. The re-introduction of Capitalism resulted in 7 million excess deaths.
Yes, Monarchism, Capitalism, and fascism are worthless.
Sure…sure… theres democracy… so as long you align with the party’s ideology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purges_of_the_Communist_Party_of_the_Soviet_Union
I don’t know if you’ve picked up on this or not, but I’m a Marxist, I’ve seen the Wikipedia pages for everything you’ve linked, and actually read beyond Wikipedia. One of the books I linked, Soviet Democracy, is even listed as a source on Wikipedia’s page on Soviet Democracy (go figure).
Either way, liberals, fascists, and Tsarists were indeed kicked out of the party, imprisoned, or sentenced to death, depending on the severity of their crimes.
I really don’t know what point you’re trying to make here, I already openly stated that the Soviet Union wasn’t a mythical wonderland, my position is that it was Socialist and working towards Communism, none of which you seem to have contested. What are you trying to get at?
As I said, the argument was if the USSR was autocratic. Noone disagrees rather or not they were socialists nor they make offical statments they intended on working toward communism.
But its very clear that the leadership was very autocratic and anti-democractic and only accepted undying loyalty.
It isn’t clear at all, actually, and your dedication to vaguely gesture at Wikipedia articles doesn’t discredit that. I don’t see how not allowing liberals, fascists, or Tsarists into government is synonymous with “only accepting undying loyalty.”
I mean, im not the one trying to make a claim that they were democratic while forbiding any ideology that opposes theirs. The mental gymnastics involved here could be the next Olympic event.
Fascism, Capitalism, and Monarchism should be allowed within a Socialist system why? The economy was far more democratic than under the Tsars or under the current Russian Federation. Democracy doesn’t have to include freedom for fascists, the bougeoisie, or monarchists, and in fact shouldn’t for the Proletariat to have full control.
Who is the proletariat but people? What if they wanted any of those things? Their ideas are qlworthless because they dont fit your very narrow view? You are no better than the US republicans who label everyone they dont like as “communists”.
The Proletariat is the people indeed, and the people supported the purges. They had already spent years in a civil war against the Tsarists, were invaded by 14 Capitalist nations, and fascists in Nazi Germany were killing Communists from day 1. The re-introduction of Capitalism resulted in 7 million excess deaths.
Yes, Monarchism, Capitalism, and fascism are worthless.
Sounds a lot like facism in a trench coat.