• auzy@lemmy.world
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      Well. You’re making the claim, let’s see the receipts. They pay their workers well, I haven’t heard any evidence they get treated like slaves like bezos

      I knew I’d get downvoted but Lemmy people, but I’ve heard no evidence otherwise.

      Bill got rich because of windows 95, and it was a really good product.

      He made a lot of his riches before the Internet and before IE

      Also, I did try early Debian back in those days, and Linux simply was unusable for consumers back then.

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        Oh my, if you want to look back at those days with rose colored glasses be my guest. But to anyone that lived those days, your comment is a basket full of straw mans.

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          I never understand comments like this, where people act as if they know better but make no effort to actually demonstrate their superior knowledge.

          It almost seems like you’re less interested in changing minds and more in fishing for upvotes from the ‘Microsoft bad’ crowd.

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            I don’t have superior knowledge, but it’s probably useful to recognize the way I see that company is very different than yours and other people.

            I don’t think we can agree, and my goal is not to convince you, but remind that there’s people like me who think Microsoft represents so many bad things that I can write a book about it.

            To illustrate, I’m sure 20 years from now recall will be as divisive as windows 7,10 or how they were completely opposed to open source and now act like that never happened.

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              If you disagree with someone enough to feel it’s necessary to say so, it’s generally advisable to explain exactly what you disagree with and provide reasoning for your stance. Otherwise, you’re just making noise. A truly informed person has no trouble coming up with a few examples to back up their claims. It’s quite patronizing to imply that you have some insight I don’t, and then not even bother to share it - especially when following it up with, ‘I don’t think we can agree,’ after putting zero effort into reaching an understanding.

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          Our first family computer was a 8086.

          So don’t speak on behalf of me please, or make assumptions

          Explain your answer.

          To literally anyone at that time, Windows 95 was a game changer. It brought many things including proper plug and play, and less screwing with autoexec.bat

          The competition was Apple. Apple started going bankrupt because of this. Bill was a coder from 13 years old. They weren’t a monopoly until much later.

          He was going to be successful regardless. His initial fortune was from Windows 95 which sold 7 million copies in 5 weeks

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            Explain yourself? Do you pay my bills and I didn’t notice? Fuck off.

            Just conversation starters :

            Win95, 98 and 2000 are embarrassingly unstable, even if you think it’s a world wonder that got someone to be ultra rich.

            Oh by the way all of this was based on DOS, which was not made but bought by Microsoft. Pretty sure it wasn’t from a savings account for flipping burgers.

            Internet explorer had such bullying and monopolistic practices that it lost a lawsuit.

            Microsoft willingly went out of their way to bully and kill other OS competitors that were getting a good foothold on getting adopted. Was that Novell? So long ago, and they got killed almost at the same time as they were invented.

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              Ie wasn’t even a factor until years later. There was no compelling reason to use anything other than ie until Firefox (to end users, Netscape and Mozilla was comparable to ie). It had no impact on the initial success of Windows. Netware failed because it was crap compared to windows 95 too. Their competitors simply didn’t compare to windows 95. That’s not bullying. They were too busy competing with windows 3.1

              Windows 95 wasn’t that unstable either. Maybe you had bad ram in your system or bad drivers . Sure the NT kernel was better, but Windows 95 was perfectly usable and was used. It did crash. But it wasn’t a regular thing. You’re acting like it happened daily.

              Osx was only released in 2001 and macos required Apple hardware Windows 95 succeeded because it actually worked and had broad hardware support

              You keep talking about IE, but Windows was successful before most people had the Internet. Internet explorer only became anti monopoly consideration because Windows had already managed to be

              Also, how do you expect people to respond when you disrespect them and make assumptions about their experience and age to try to add credibility to your argument at their expense? If you don’t know how old I am, don’t assume I’m young. I’m not . And fyi, one of my projects was mentioned in Linux format 20 years ago, so don’t assume I wasn’t heavy into Linux either