It really doesn’t make a difference if you are or aren’t and i presumed you were an atheist the whole time.

No one disputes the first part. However, you seem to have convinced yourself it proves your second part which it doesn’t.

So, even after having to point out that you toon completely completely the wrong point over the business owners part, you double down, despite STILL literally giving yet more examples of what were all meant to be details specifically about people giving up their wealth for God.

Somehow you’ve literally taken away the exact opposite point from the one being made every single time and you’re arguing my point, against yourself, better than I ever could.

Oh, I see, you are saying that. I forget how many people subscribe to supply side Jesus.

So, we can dismiss anything he is supposed to have said that disagrees with you but we can beleive the ones you believe agree with you? Thats an interesting take.

They gave their professions up to follow Jesus. So, its very in keeping with what I said and belied any idea that their former professions belied anything. That’s very much you drawing back from where you wanted to end up and not the other way round.

Remember that “mammon” doesn’t mean money. Had Jesus only meant money, when he said that, he would have used the Hebrew word for money or coins and not a completely different word. Even then, very few people had any contact with actual money back in those days and, of the few that did, they would only ever use them to pay taxes. So, telling people not to love something they didnt come into contact with and, even if they did, would hate their contact with it would have been a bit silly. So, he clearly could never have meant that.

Its bizzare that you go on about deliberate misrepresentations in the bible and missed one of the most egregious.

Mammon means wealth or profit above what you need to survive. “The love of profit is the root of all evil.” “If you have 2 shirts, your second belongs to the man with no shirt.”

Jesus was anti wealth and Christianity, according to what he is recorded to have actually said, is incompatible with capitalism.

Sorry, I’m really not sure of the point you’re trying to make here.

I’m not saying the bible is historically accurate, beyond criticism, or that eye witness testimonies aren’t problematic. Had I done so, the above would make a lot more sense.

All I’m saying is, of the records that exist, such as they are, he was very vocally anti-wealth. You’re replying as though you’re disagreeing with what I’m saying. However, you don’t seem to refute anything that I’ve said.

Are you saying he is recorded as being vocally anti-wealth?

Again, if you want to make up your own definition of middle class, then you’re right.

By everyone else’s, you’re not.

The rest is just noise.

By actual Christianity, I mean Christianity in line with the things he was reported to have said, as opposed to ones that directly go against them.

Maybe he was, maybe he wasn’t. Theyre still the things he’s reported to have said though.

You think thats bad, wait until you hear about the shareholders. They dont even have to pretend to work and they’ll be paid far more for their lack of trouble. The shareholders have had well in excess of a 77% pay rise and, despite that, want even more.

Crazy right? I bet that’s got you really annoyed, considering those are worse than the exact thing you were complaining about above…

Right?

I agree with everything but the fact that, of what is reported of Jesus, he was very anti-wealth, over and above what people need to get by and that a actual christianity is incompatible with capitalism.

To me, thats the part that certain types of “christians” need to be metaphorically slapped round the face with.

But some who has earned a penny in interest has spent time as both worker and owner.

Its not that you’ve shifted it. I agree there. Its that your using sweeping terms that include things like earning a penny in interest that, in order to not sound ridiculous, has to have caveated to a point that:

No, the idea is that the middle class (defined in the conventional way) spends time in both the “worker” category and the “owner” category.

Doesn’t reflect where it ends up at all.

Also, its not the conventional way. You 100% made that up and what you’re describing is petite bougouise.

From wiki

The modern usage of the term “middle-class”, however, dates to the 1913 UK Registrar-General’s report, in which the statistician T. H. C. Stevenson identified the middle class as those falling between the upper-class and the working-class.[13] The middle class includes: professionals, managers, and senior civil servants. The chief defining characteristic of membership in the middle-class is control of significant human capital while still being under the dominion of the elite upper class, who control much of the financial and legal capital in the world.

It would be a very small amount, compared to what they earn over their lifetime. The idea that someone is middle class because they’ve earned a penny in bank interest is absurd.

Or are you planning on coming back with a load of caveats you conveniently left out previously?

Some!

How do you justify ignoring everyone else telling you its bad tho?

Ironically, people say the same thing about Israel now.

It almost makes you wonder how the BBC manage to do live events.

Thats the one.

It will also bring down inflation as money received as tax is netted off against money created by the government, destroying that money, resulting in less money chasing things. Its the fiat currency equivalent of burning large stacks of gold IOUs (old time money).

Of course, the rich like to pretend the only way to fight inflation is to pay the richest people in the world eye watering amounts of interest.

Yeah, I wouldn’t be able to defend Israels actions either. So, I’d would have to resort to deflections and cheap whataboutery like you too.

…they then left and a whole different bunch of white people turned up to live in the land that had been recently been stolen from the indigenous Americans.

You’d have thought that the indigenous Americans would have tried to take their land back in the time between the Europeans leaving and the Americans turning up but I guess not.

I have to admire the brazenness with which you made up your own utterly unfounded definition of the term “middle class” then, immediately after being called out for it, accuse the person who hadn’t provided any definition of the term of doing exactly what you had just done.

Thats some advanced level bad faith engagement right there.

Its not my definition. Its a different school of thought that has stood up to scrutiny. It is different to what a lot of people would refer to as middle class and, of course, different again from what you, personally describe middle class to be.

I don’t really recognise a middle class but, if one is to exist, it is simply the middle earners of people who work for their money and they’re predominantly white collar workers. That’s all there is to it. What you described is petite bougouise and may well be middle class but not all middle class people are petite bougouise.

Thats not not what middle class means.

Lugenpresse!

I mean, fake news!

Its quite the norm in parts of Europe.

Had it been hard-core (from hell) i may have judged you but, even then, only as an xtc fiend.

For anyone curious, try dj mad dog : reset

Fair warning, it might be jarring on any mellow you might have going on. Eventually, when you’ve been raving long enough, you might find that, from time to time, you’ll need sounds from the bowels of hell at 200 bpm just to feel something.

The edit doesn’t really show why it would effect poor people disproportionately. Also, no one should be surprised that vacant homes in the ass end of alaska have very little effect on rates of homelessness.