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Cake day: July 2nd, 2023

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  • I dug in (thanks for linking sources) and there are some promising details. The ~80% figure for the US is from a 2011 report (even though the citation states 2014…), so it’s very old. In 2019, the US began an initiative to increase awareness of this issue and address it, see the progress here (pdf link).

    Not trying to counter the narrative, but at least we’re talking about it on the federal level, so maybe that can provide some optimism to people.









  • To clarify a point I don’t think the people replying have specifically pointed out enough already: this line of thinking is contrary to a representative democracy. If some people aren’t worthy of voting, then they aren’t worthy of being represented by their government (e.g. slaves, felons, children). That’s the main disagreement I have with that idea.

    If you truly believe there’s a measurable line for intelligence/competence below which people shouldn’t vote, are you worried there are so many people in that group that it would affect the outcome? If that’s true, then don’t they deserve representation? This problem is solved if everyone votes. Shouldn’t we just try to educate people instead of creating another marginalized group?



  • It matters from a cause-and-effect standpoint, but you’re callously and self-righteously blaming their whole situation on it. That you stop trying to understand the situation at that point reveals that you’re using it as an excuse to blame peoples’ suffering exclusively on their personal choices to feel better about yourself. That completely ignores any circumstances, predatory draws, nonstandard brain chemistry, or other factors outside of their control and assume they had perfect, complete knowledge of the situation and consequences at the time – which is honestly silly.