Your link is to Amnesty — one of the many “human rights” organizations unwittingly supporting terrorists who hijack and abuse our good-will and free speech in the West.
Read about Akhmed Chatayev. Arrested in Sweden with guns and explosives. Arrested in Ukraine with terrorist material. Arrested in Georgia for participating in a terrorist attack (Lopota incident). Arrested at the Bulgaria/Turkey border. Amnesty basically bailed him out. He’s the mastermind of the ISIS attack on the Istanbul airport (almost 50 dead). Luckily Georgian police eventually killed him in the end.
The Amnesty article cites no examples of government mistreatment of Arabs in Israel.
Arabs in Israel are equal in law to Jews (except for military conscription). Arab LBTQI+ find refuge in Israel. Arab women and schoolgirls in Gaza have to wear a hijab but not the Arabs in Israel (where they can even dance if they like).
the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
this is an outright lie.
Just because some people use hyperbole like “world’s largest outdoor prison” doesn’t make what I said a lie. Blame Egypt for controlling the Rafah border not Israel. They have seen what happened to Jordan and Lebanon when they allowed Palestinians in.
I’m not sure proffering apologetics for war crimes is appropriate for Beehaw.
ICC has identified (but not prosecuted) war crimes by Likud’s Netanyahu and Hamas’ Sinwar.
you clearly label Hamas as a terrorist organization
I named countries which proscribe Hamas as a terrorist organization. You obviously don’t agree with these governments and it is fair enough to express it like that but not fair to try to bully me into agreeing with you.
a legitimate steward of the civilian population’s will.
Hamas has not allowed elections in Gaza since they won power in 2007.
without addressing the actual reasons and events that led up to it
Then it would need to include Palestinians starting war against Israel then losing a disproportionate number of citizens then always repeating the failed attacks expecting a different result? There is a word for that.
Most of the Jewish population of Israel are those fleeing persecution from Muslim nations (not from Europe as is commonly believed).
The only persecution of Gazans in the few years leading up to Oct 7 was the border checks since they have imported munitions in the past which they attacked Israel with.
How far back in history do you want to go in a 90 minute documentary about the Nova massacre? It doesn’t actually matter now regardless of what each side says: Jews ain’t going anywhere and neither are the Arabs. A two-state solution is the only option.
There’s the actual reason if anyone is interested.
That merely repeats the headline, it isn’t a reason.
It is naive to think that facts alone can win in a battle of ideas. Why do you think Coca Cola still advertises heavily?
Look at how AJ lie in an example unrelated to this conflict: This video was at the time of a G9 summit where the journalist deliberately made a protestor look like a crazy suicidal maniac who had to be taken away by police for his own good.
They mistakenly showed the evidence in the video that he wasn’t crazy. Read the video description.
As though that…justifies something?!
You started the bad faith argument. I was merely hoping you would self-reflect, and check yourself. Instead, you projected.
- Meanwhile, the right wing media sweeps it aside with inhumane, Onion-level headlines like “UN revises Gaza death toll, almost 50% less women and children killed than previously reported”. As though that…justifies something?!
Are you saying that when Hamas are caught lying it shouldn’t be reported?
Were you also outraged when Hamas said 500 Palestians were killed by IDF bombing AlAhli hospital and all the media outlets reported this as fact but the responsible ones later apologized and reported that was a blatant Hamas lie?
Should we never correct stories when the facts come to light?
Similarly there were no children killed by Hamas during October 7 despite some crazy Israeli guy lying in his “eyewitness” report (later debunked). I’m sure you were happy to have that be corrected.
I am happy for all of the above to be corrected without having to frame it as justification for atrocities.
Israel claims it has killed 17,000 militants, without providing evidence. It does not provide an estimate of civilians killed in Gaza.
And Hamas doesn’t provide an estimate of militants killed.
Die? Hyperbolic much? Gazans weren’t being killed in the weeks leading up to Oct 7.
I suggest Gazans could have used the aid money they were receiving for decades to build infrastructure rather than ripping up water pipes to build missiles.
Well yes. Israel always retaliates disproportionately. Yet Hamas keep repeating their attacks expecting Allah will magically produce a different result. Commonly known as the very definition of stupidity.
Are you implying they caused more injuries on October 7 than Hamas?
Telegram group chats are unencrypted
Not quite true. They are server-side encrypted, not end-to-end. Still bad and I had no idea until I looked it up just now (thanks to you).
I use Gboard keyboard on my phone which undermines my Signal privacy. I could use my laptop instance of Signal to prevent leakage.
Telegram successfully fought against attempt of blocking in Russia in 2018 by providing regular updates and using different techniques to avoid blocking.
I too heard Russia claimed they could not block it. Could be deliberate theatre to bolster its reputation.
It seems Russia has a back door key into Telegram.
Edit: Russia is complaining about the arrest.
Pavel Durov has visited Russia more than 50 times since his “exile” in 2014
Can someone please paraphrase the following which I didn’t understand?
Somebody raised to believe they have high IQ is more likely to fall for this than somebody raised to think less of their own intellectual capabilities. Subjective validation is a quirk of the human mind. We all fall for it.
But if you think you’re unlikely to be fooled, you will be tempted instead to apply your intelligence to “figure out” how it happened. This means you can end up using considerable creativity and intelligence to help the psychic fool you by coming up with rationalisations for their “ability”.
And because you think you can’t be fooled, you also bring your intelligence to bear to defend the psychic’s claim of their powers. Smart people (or, those who think of themselves as smart) can become the biggest, most lucrative marks.
Blasts is only six letters. Slams is only five. That is why they get used in headlines so often.
to the point of being an apartheid state that treats non-Jewish citizens worse
Maybe in practice, but certainly not in law.
The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that “Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights” and states that “The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel’s establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF).”
Why would home state advantage not matter much despite it being a swing state? (along with Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin).
You linked to an article which I looked at. It in turn linked to a 128 page report which I did not read because it does not have a Gaza section - and Gazan conditions leading up to Oct 7 was what you were responding to. I didn’t have time today to read the whole thing just in case.
Gaza was not anything like an “open air prison” until 2007 when Egypt closed the Southern Border shortly after Hamas took over: that was not Israel’s fault. Water supply issues in Gaza are caused by Hamas who boasted in a 2021 propaganda video showing themselves digging up water pipes to turn them into missiles. From 2014 to 2020, U.N. agencies spent nearly $4.5 billion in Gaza which could have been used to build civilian infrastructure but Hamas preferred to spend it militarily on its stated goal of ethnic cleansing of Jews “from the river to the sea”.
The article. Not the report.
In Israel is was what you were meant to be responding to. There are plenty of Palestinians with citizenship in Israel. I think the West Bank settlement expansion is unjust but that is not the topic here.
Nope I was trying to stick to the topic of BBC going against their own government’s designation of Hamas as terrorists. You would rather talk about wider issues, so…
Both sides are “losing the war”: Back in December there was a great prescient article criticising Israel and a companion article criticising Hamas.
Very few ProPals seem to do balance whereas plenty of people who try to understand Israel’s difficulty (in avoiding being wiped out by Hamas) do criticise Israel.
Netanyahu’s Likud party only won 11% of the vote and it took 5 attempts at a working coalition for them to resume power in the last election. There were two arrest warrants against him for corruption and over 100,000 citizens protested against the government changing the law to allow them to override their equivalent of a constitution.