You can stop, I don’t think BE will notice you

I did you even acknowledged the example of banning beards but then pretend like you weren’t given evidence.

I acknowledged it, by telling you to focus on proving cultural genocide in the first place. No, targeting bearded people that espouse violent Muslim interpretations of Islam in order to “correct” their beliefs to non violent interpretation does not constitute cultural genocide (even if wasnt fully informed on the targeting of ideologically violent bearded people. That maybe constituting racial profiling, but not cultural genocide)

No there aren’t.

There are like this source BE uses https://medium.com/@sunfeiyang/breaking-down-the-bbcs-visit-to-hotan-xinjiang-e284934a7aab

denying the Genocide

Nothing to deny. You haven’t proved it.

Another argument debunked another goalpost moved.

You haven’t addressed how you can see arabic everywhere, uyghur being an official language, and that there’s a shitton of mosques there and how it constitutes cultural genocide. If you culture is to stab people, then fuck your culture.

Far too much evidence to deny

Far little context taken into account

the person which just spent time reading your worthless links is now ‘not serious’.

No because if youd have looked at the “worthless” link you’d know that the primary sources BE provides are contextualized there already.

You have to prove cultural genocide is happening, not the ban of beards. Put your efford there.

Yes there are. The heavy military guarding around the area is what’s very noteworthy.

Heavily militarized synagogues in western countries means that it’s with the knowledge of “the genocide in palestine” and pretty obvious there’s something fishy going on. This is what I mean with gradual crackdown on religion. Sorry I cannot take you serious here.

Your link wants to reference article 14 which focuses on re-education but the preceding one doesn’t look great

What’s your approach on how to deal with people that go stabbing people around them and are supported by your geopolitical rival?

BadEmpanada A single testimony

I’m going to take you even less serious now and choose not to continue this conversation anymore.

Classifying parts of religion you don’t like because you have to “combat terrorism” and assimilate your colonized population… where have I heard that one before…

Condoning radical parts of religion because forbidding them reminds of the cultural genocide that’s happening at home

And making it look like a classic Chinese temple instead of an Uyghur one? Cultural preservation in full force.

Imagine the headlines if left alone and the collapsing building kills a worshiper

Wearing a long beard? Terrorism!

The less radical Imam not falling into the western narrative in the video you linked to says that no religious repression is happening and denies that beards are banned. BBC provides no evidence and just points at a random ripped paper and says beards are banned because it says so there lol Instead you link me a video showing me how it even contradicts yourself. How do you like the timestamp, where the youtuber “sees 4-5 mosques just walking around the city center” and concludes “you can’t say that there aren’t any mosques here”. Which he concludes the same thing again further down the video you posted. https://youtu.be/dHxzLogzqkU?feature=shared&t=2085

How do you not see the contradiction, that you say cultural genocide, yet you can see arabic written all over the buildings in your own provided link? Poor guy couldnt fly his drone over the mosque. Have you tried flying a drone over a synagogue in any western country?

At least read the context I provided you earlier https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

Cultural Genocide is not equal to full on literal israel style delete everyone you don’t like.

Not what I was saying. I was saying that the same voices that say a “cultural genocide” is happening in China, are saying no genocide (not cultural, but the actual extermination of people) is happening in Palestine.

Altering appearances of mosques to make them appear Chinese is an incredibly visually obvious step to slow-boiling the frog.

Or you know, altering the building in a way it doesn’t crash on its worshipers i.e. renovating.

Sinicization involves aligning religion to Chinese culture, and can also extend to adherence to the nation’s political ideology and rules.

Like any fucking religion has to adhere to their host country. Basically it means if your interpretation of Islam is some radical shit where go stab random ass people you can get lost like they did with the western backed ETIM (Based)

Also you seem to have a very narrow understanding of culture. You haven’t addressed even how the language and cultural practices aren’t banned. Slow boiling the frog my ass

Semantics are important with words like “imperialism”, “capitalism” and other isms.

Xinjiang so I linked him this damning compilation.

Xinjiang has 1 mosque per ~500 Muslims and one of the highest densities with 25k mosques total

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_China

Your (western) article makes an “analysis of 2,312 mosques once featuring Islamic architecture shows that three-quarters have been modified or destroyed since 2018.”

Which 1) is not that many compares to the total amount. 2) Has an interest in focussing on “modified” (i.e. renovated) and destroyed ones to make the 3/4 figure 3) apparently has access to that data, but refuses to list the total amount of destroyed ones.

Also cultural genocide is when Uyghur is an official languages and also used publicly everywhere. Cultural genocide is when you can freely practice your religion everywhere. Cultural genocide is when all Muslim majority visited the region and had no complaints. Apparently genocide on Muslims is not happening in Palestine (said by the same voices that do say it’s happening in China)

You might want to consider the context a bit (also with western sources): https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

Your statement about China not having a financialist capital class seemed slightly out of touch so I provided you with examples of some Chinese capital class

I seems you have no clue what the difference between an industrial capitalist and a finacial capitalist is, because you provided not a example of finacial capitalists existing. You just showed me an example of a industrial/realestate capitalist eating shit. Not so much in cahoots after all then ,right? Not like the CPC declared the “3 red lines” in order to mitigate the bubble forming, not like there’s a 95% homeowner ship rate in china already and it’s just speculators eating shit, not like Asianometry is a very informed lib viewing the deliberate crash from a liberal perspective, right?

China’s banks are nationalized. When was theast time you heare about Jack Ma, who wanted to ascend to be a financial capitalist by circumventing finance laws with ANT pay?

Communism is when not billionaires. The more Billionaires you have to less communism it is.

See, what the CPC is doing is not communism. It’s market socialism, or SWCC to be more accurate, which is not without it’s contradictions. Communism cannot exist when Capitalism and Imperialism exists.

When you write stuff like:

instead of greed being innate to humans

Muh human nature

Or

As for the imperialism I only hear the same argument as for Western imperialism: someone drew lines on a map 200 years ago

I know for a fact you haven’t read theory and don’t want to be talking to you until you haven’t done your homework.

Read more theory otherwise you sound like a kid like you do now.

China most definitely has billionaires in cahoots with the government

Imperialism is when billionaires. The more billionaires you have the imperialister it is

Also https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

I’ve had two discussions with users about the Uyghur camps which were not able to address the base of my concerns.

Sounds like you were concern trolling, because the burden of proof is on the accuser

You might wanna work on your reading comprehension if that is what you get from Engels text

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1872/10/authority.htm

Cope lol

their support for other imperialist superpowers like Russia and China

I wonder what definition of imperialism you’re using. China doesn’t have a financial capitalist class which influences it’s government to seek foreign markets (i.e. overthrow foreign governments to privatize their state assets for the financial capitalist class to buy up)

Because if America bad Russia and China good is an easy train of thought.

It may seem to lib outside observers like that

But users there moreso question whether certain atrocities happened. They’re not saying ‘yeah the CCP is currently Genociding Uyghurs in concentration camps. but you have to vote for Xi Jingping to save Democracy’.

Tell me you haven’t lurked there without having told me you having lurked there and talking out of your ass.

This isn’t accurate, they were very active in brigandine other federations, hitting random threads on .world for instance with hundreds of reply comments drowning out anything that may be a tiny bit critical of china or Russia. Or pro west.

Have you considered that their users were just browsing the front page and what you’re describing is just the nature of lemmy and how federation works?

There wereultiple cross-posts daily pointing to specific threads posted on hexbear to organize brigading.

You’re likely referring to the_dunk_tank which is a community that encourages bullying homophobia, transphobia, fascists and liberale (pretty based imo)

Are you just looking for something to get angry at or did you momentarily turn your brain off? Ssm’s comment clearly can be read sarcastic seeing the votes, which changes it’s meaning quite a bit. Dessalines is right to for ask for clarification before swinging the hammer.

Thanks to your valuable contribution to the discussion

why would be a fascist propaganda if they were the ones making agreements with the fascists?

Because fascists like yourself like to share this without the proper context to paint the Soviets in a bad light, when in fact it was them almost alone stoping the Holocaust.

maybe yes, maybe not, the love for genocide was mutual tho

I like how the article you shared says

Scholars continue to debate whether the human-made Soviet famine was a central act in a campaign of genocide,[159] or a tragic byproduct of rapid Soviet industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture.[76][51][17][52] Whether the Holodomor is a genocide is a significant and contentious issue in modern politics.

If a military defeat is necessary to create revolutionary conditions, is it not then in the best interest of the working class in each imperialist power for the other to win,

Yes?

and does that not then put the working class in each imperialist power at odds with one another?

Yes I would like the war to end asap and not to see Ukraines working class be forced into the meat grider to fight the imperialists fight…

Don’t you believe in internationalism? Solidarity?

Yes?

How many hundreds of thousands of lives does it cost to create revolutionary conditions, and how can you be so arrogant as to cheer while they’re fed into the meatgrinder, believing with such certainty that it means you’ll get your chance at revolution?

That’s such a perverted misrepresentation of material reality I’m not even sure where to begin. 1) Analysis does not mean justification. That’s your interpretation of it. 2) where am I cheering it on? You make it sound like I endorse it when in fact it’s NATO and it’s proponents 3) heightend contradictions improve condition for revolution is a basic historical fact…

Sorry, I was under the impression you were speaking in favor of NATO expansion and think that while the US is bad, it’s emdevours in Ukraine are just (this time).

Also “critical support” for what, Russian imperialism? Why does Russian imperialism deserve “critical support” while western imperialism deserves direct opposition?

Revolutionary defeatism

Recognizing that yes, Putin’s Russia is a bourgeois state with highly questionable rights for sexual minorities and a husk of its former Soviet glory, its re-nationalized industries are a target for the US imperialist emdevours ripe to be privatized again. (You can see how the NATO supports racist nawalny,.but not the largest opposition force in Russia instead, etc.)

To understand the geopolitical context of the NATO proxy war in Ukraine against Russia it helps to watch the Mearsheimer lecture on it (hardly Russian propaganda)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4

Also Ben Norton gives a solid breakdown here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhajzlhcgSk