Is it just me or dose this one looks a bit like the depressed Form of v1 (I love v1 its part of my punk-jacket). The down hanging leafs combined with the darker colors give me a more sad vibe like if the plant needs watering or something.

I diagnose you with capitalism (and the resulting lack of imagination how a better world could look like)

Well, yes but actually yes

Anno 2070 has kindoff a Solarpunk vibe if you play the ecos or a Cyberpunk if you play the tycoons. The setting is not 100% on point, but it is still a great SP game Terra Nil is a Solarpunk game where you have to regreen the earth. Tomorrow Land is really good film about the hope we need to create a better society

As far as i understand web3 (not an expert) it is a bit more nuanced than many comments. A short historie irrc web1 was just websites and hyperlinks so early web. Web2 is where we are mostly jet. High centeralisation, few have power over the whole internet landscape (FANG, etc). It is built around closed systems and users as well as content creators are hostages of these services. Web3 means a new decentralized Web. It is supposed to be more democratic, because everyone can contribute and everyone has the same amount of control. A example for that is the fedivers the place you are in right now. Or I think P2P nets like Briar and I2P belong also in this category. But also crypto. Which don’t get me wrong can have valid use cases in a world still relying on currencies. But this idea was hijacked by the hyper capitalistic techbro scene. Which also calls them self “libertarian” and has the slogan “don’t tread on me” and “become ungovernable” but has few in common with actual Anarchist thought. And therefore is not compatible with the Anticapitalist as well as the post-hierarchical stand of Solarpunk. An example is the abuse of crypto mining to create money out of thin air while reducing the decentralization aspect. And also NFTs.

tl;dr: in my eyes web3 is Solarpunk but it was like many ideas infested with hyper-capitalist ideology.

I mean unlike our society cybernetics neurology and medcin are making hughe progress so maybe (depending where you life) you might get something like that in 10-15 years. It is probably harder to keep the Brain alive and give you sense than the control of the robotic Parts. Because Brain Machine Interfaces already exsist. Also a solution might be a VR headset +BMI which controls a second you while being in your room.

Sorry that I missintrepeted the cyborg brain thing. Wait do you mean you want to be frozen until a Solarpunk World or do you want a cyborg body or both? I’m kinda confused

I mean the picture looks more dystopian, but in a free socity You can look and life like how ever you want. Also maybe there is a back story to why you live as such a brain. While it is an utopia accidents can still happen. Maybe while working on a community project your body was blown away but yor community which has good neuroligist saved you. Or maybe you where there at the final days of the Cyberpunk era, when the catpital-state.complex maked the last and most brutal attemps to destroy the revolution. And now you are trying to fix the problems the old system created.

Yeah i see how good that works out… Also a little Tipp for the future try to think in the big picture. This hughe massiv messsey interconnected incomprehansible picture (our monkey brains really don’t like this) as I said economy effects science it effects the narrative it effects the ecology, it effects the social spheres, it effects the culture. And every aspect of society which are more than I mentioned dose the same and effects every other aspect. Nothing is Isolated it all exsist together. Even an absence of a part effects the whole.

A bit short but yes (tbh when I ask this question I mostly get total bs answers) I want to get into an institute because I don’t want to throw my work into their throat. Also you might be right there (I am not sure who funds more state or Capitalist ) but also they funded the biggest climate change denial campaigns as well as sabotage of science in addition A you did not invalidated the argument that inaccessibility in science is a big problem here is the studie published in nature https://www.nature.com/articles/356739a0 And once again we live in the information age knowledge should be as easy to access than never bevor but through comodification like that you have to pay 100 € for one studies, from which the people who wrote it get nothing and sometimes have to pay money to get the studie published. It really does not seem fair and inhibit. And this is just one thing that is going wrong in science under capitalism. There is a reason more and more scientists resort to sci-hub to get the studies, espacally when the scientists are independent. And once again the employees do the work not the employer. That’s why I argue for bottom up common ownership as well as a democratizon of our industry (tbh I can’t tell you so much about the other fields there you should resort to my comarads, since one person can not know everything and I still learn new stuff since society is fucking complex)
But still I tstart.that there would be less ecological damages with a such a system (and don’t come with Soviet was dirty because fuck this authoritarian state-capitalist pseudo-communist state) (oh if you ask you self why I hate the SU while many others so called communists defend it I am not a Marxists-Leninist But an green Anarcho-communist. ) But to ce back to the first comment worker protection is a good start but just a start.

To end this discussion how about a bet. If capitalism survives and dose not destroy or harm our ecosphere in a critical way you get cookie. If it destroies or harm our ecosphere in a critical way I get a cookie (good luck making one under such conditions). And if capitalism dies and we end up in a Solarpunk future with a nice gift and library economy we both get as many cookies as we want. Sounds fair, doesn’t it?

What you describe is primitivism but I more advocate for a Solarpunk future. So technology which is in harmony with nature passive: cooling, green energy, perma culture. But your comment perfectly showed what I mean technology is not or rather should not be something separate and antagonistic towards nature. Could you please define what capitalism is because I think we work with two different definitions. As for scientific advancement this dose not come from capitalism many scientist and engineers just want to help people that’s how we devolped many vaccines and medication. In addition more and more studies show that scientist are more and more hindered by capitalism through the inaccessiblilty of papers which is kind of paradox since we live in the information age. Also the highe pressure and the unpaid working hours causes that many quit. And that’s something I know since it will be my future field of employment.

It was a studie on teenagers where this result is from. I mean the earth will still rotate. But our ecosphere takes havey damage under our current system and I probably don’t have to explain why this is a big problems. Keep on mind that this world we live in is extremely interconceted not only on the social level (like the interconnections between capitalism, stastism, colonialism, Racism, Sexism) but also on the social-ecological level. The short summary of the reason is: alienation of humans from nature, the fact that infinite growth which is required by capitalism is not possible on a finite planet, the focus on power and profit instead of Humans and nature and comodification of the natural world. Social ecology is actually a very own school of thought. I recommend to check out the Lemmy communities on SLRPNK.net and if you want deeper beginners explanation of the topic I recommend andrewisms video on the topic PS: an increasing number in climate scientists and activists (including the IPCC) recognize that we need systemic changes to combat climate change

Why should there be no 3. Way? A way where we advocate for democracy and beyond inside the economic sector. And create project for project a better world on grass root-level. While we weaken the capitalist system and limit it destructive capabilities. I know more people can imagen the end end of the world than a end of capitalism. Which is kind of sad thinking about it’s exploitive and destructive nature. But I always say: you can’t let the world end without a fight. So I just pic the topics I am interested in and help there (handing out pamphlets, talking about Solarpunk, helping in youth councils and going on demos for human rights and for our ecosphere). I am always happy when people decide to help but we can’t force anybody to do so because this would be against what we stand for.

It was a smaller ZAD, the bigger zones, where similar system are used are outside my continent. Rojava, EZLN etc. They are not exact the same as I described it since I just wanted to describe what can be improved based on other project; Libraries (of things) already exsist, worker cooperatives/syndicates already exsist and so on.

Since i lived in a better system (in a very very small scale and for a short amount of time but it’s most likely scalable) I can disagree. It’s a start for sure and 100% better than raw Capitalism but there is still much space for improvement. Design the industry more in decentralized manner, design it more like liltle democracy than a absolute system. And give everybody their fair share based on the work done and and what the person needs (that’s obviously should be decided by the council based consensus democracy (if possible sometimes you just need majoritan democracy) . Also to spice things up we can open some more libraries of things and improve other services for the public like the train. And if we want to go really U/evtopian (which I want to) we could also replace some if not all markets with dispenseries. Cause markets are not always the best way to distribute goods.

Interesting a tankie posting an Anarchist poster

These are some societys which are at least socialist and some of them on the way to communism If you want to simplify it heavily: the means have to mark the ends ergo you can’t use the state to destroy the state (communism describes a stateless moneyless and classless society)

System ≠ model For example there are difrent ecosystems (dessert, jungle, River, lakes) and there are different models to describe an Ecosystem (food-networks, statistical models, energy pyramids) And this distinction exsist in every filed of since from physics over Biology to social studies

Aren’t you just describe two difrent Modells? I mean both have Thier own use case. But yeah living from paycheck to paycheck dose not sound like middle class

I mean even Lenin admitted that the Soviet Union was just state capitalism so the point still counts. Also it is still baffling to me that we could feed 10 billion people and still have whole populations that are starving. And obviously a system that is just there to be evil will most likely not exsist. But have it as by product often occurred in systems which only focused on (the growth of) power (money is just another form of power). This includes the former west and the former east bloc.