Frankly I think it’s also an intense reflection on the effectiveness of propaganda. I talk to my grandpa, a man I do not consider to be, in terms of his individual views, a racist hateful man, and the facts of the world he’s working with are just 100% divorced from the reality I live in. They bare almost no substantive similarity.

It requires a painful amount of cognitive dissonance to talk to him, but at least the conversations usually aren’t shitty (aside from the backdrop of him voting for a man who is amassing political power by promising to persecute people like me and the folks I love 🙃)

To my understanding (please take with several grains of salt), some folks felt like it would encourage toxicity since you can essentially mock something someone said without saying it to them directly, while sending your audience to the original post, and I believe for quite some time the plan was intentionally not to add it

On the other hand, I’ve heard folks suggest that by allowing people to have their own isolated conversation about an idea you can potentially limit some of the harmful consequences of people with large audiences or something, but I don’t remember the exact explanation

Personally I’m happy to get quote posts and I’m happy that mastodon is cautious about implementing features that facilitate hostile interactions in the way that major platforms do for engagement

Hopefully someone can chime in with a more informed/detailed explanation, but I thought I’d share what I know in case I’m the only one to reply :)

Thanks for your input! I’ll have to take a minute some time to go to the web interface and just look around db0 and see for myself whether it feels like a good fit for me, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts!

Interesting, thank you for the additional info!

People who find computers useful should be using computers.

This weird idea from some linux users that only people who see their computer as a hobby and have mastery over them should be allowed to use them, and that computers should be designed exclusively around the needs of computer-as-hobby users, is absolutely nuts.

Its a tool. It should be designed to be useful as possible to anyone who needs such a tool.

Sincerely,
Another linux user who cares about UI/UX and is tired of this kind of junk. It’s a dumb argument, let’s all stop making it please. Linux supports all your “technical user” wildest dreams, let the average people have their features and design considerations too.

It feels like part of the reason for this might be that legal punishment would be, in terms of the optics, damning.

Even authoritarians need social buy in, and when it would be too unambiguous that the exclalated purely in pursuit of violence and oppression, they loose social support they need.

I don’t know much about the situation in Hungary but I wonder if that plays a role in things.

Yeah, I’m not really mad at that. I don’t think it changes my sentiment towards generative ai, but I don’t mind people finding ways to create their own fun and roleplaying or whatever

Thanks :)

I wish we could see what outlet it was for context

Generative ai and machine learning are pretty broadly considered different if adjacent technologies if I’m not mistaken

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2024/06/25/the-vital-difference-between-machine-learning-and-generative-ai/ probably not the best source, I just grabbed what came up

They don’t really do the same thing, and have different types of outputs compared to one another, even if both use a neural network of weights or whatever

As a person who has spent a huge amount of my life making art I think the idea that it will get more people into art is naive, and I think being devoid of understanding artistic principles it makes poor reference compared to anything else, which is part of why artists communities loathe generative AI. I follow tons of artists online and they all periodically have to stop and vent their frustration.

A youtuber artist did a whole video explaining how finding reference on the internet is now borderline impossible due to ai content, and after problem solving explained you can avoid that problem by only looking at images older than when gen ai became widespread. It reached a pretty big audience and was extremely well recieved by artists, broadly, hate gen ai and want nothing to do with it 😅

Also just wanna clarify- I’m not downvoting you. I try to downvote when a comment is bad behaviour or doesn’t add anything, not just when I don’t agree with someone

I think the appeal of seeing stuff that people make is that it reflects the humans who made it.

I’m generally not especially interested in what an algorithm produces, at least not in the same way or for the same reason as I am things made by people.

I don’t know what gen ai could produce that I would sincerely find good, it lacks the humanity that gives that product any worth.

Is that generative ai or machine learning? I really don’t have the same issue with machine learning

Its not just llm’s, I find calling ai generated images “art” frankly offensive and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of what art is and why it’s important to us as humans. But my issue is really just generative ai

I don’t really think people have an issue with machine learning, it’s useful for all kinds of stuff, and doesn’t really come with the same ethical problems as best I’m aware, so I have no reason to complain about it.

That is genuinely really interesting, I didn’t expect it to be db0. Thanks!

Huh, I wouldn’t have guessed db0, interesting. I’d kinda considered exploring db0 as a future instance but maybe its not such a good fit for me. Thanks for the answer!

That doesn’t really help me or add anything to the conversation. I already have views on ai, I was really just asking about the dynamics and cultures of different instances because I find learning about those cultural differences interesting.

I’m personally not a fan. Its a commercial product built on the theft of intellectual labor by creatives and the primary selling point of generative ai is that it can replace the people who do that creative labor. I’ve tried using it at various points and it straight up made stuff up and ended up not helping me find what I was looking for at all. I tried to use it to generate practice text I could translate into Japanese for language learning and it constantly used words other than the ones provided- words I didn’t know in japanese.

It has hypothetically useful usecases, that I pretty much never see anyone actually implement, and it feels very clear that the only reason anyone is investing in it is because it can reduce the need to pay actual humans, generating more money for people who already have tons, while wasting huge amount of electricity and resources.

Telling me, apropos of nothing, that having a stance other than neutral is “stupid” doesn’t add anything, give me anything to consider, substantiate any stance, provide any details, etc. I don’t really need to know that you think I’m stupid for not liking ai.

Thats fuckin cute :)

Thank you, I struggled to look it up and find an answer that made any sense 😅

Which instance is pro ai?

Sick mini and a sick background, looking good!

Thats sick!