I don’t really like Windows but it’s for my gaming PC. My laptop does run linux. I don’t know much of anything about 11 and whether it’s better or not.
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OP, thanks for being the sacrificial lamb here. Now I know never to ask a question about Windows if I don’t want to hear irrelevant opinions from Linux snobs. Sorry you didn’t get a lot of real answers.
I keep hoping that new sites will be better about this. And while I understand the reasons why this happens it still saddens me that it still does.
Lemmy as a platform is built on FOSS. There are going to be Linux/FOSS advocates all over here.
I say this as primarily a windows admin who recently started diving into Linux.
The “real answer” is that Windows 10 is supported until October 2024. You have until then to make your decision or switch to an alternative because after that, W10 won’t be getting more updates and you risk running an unsecure system at that point.
There’s a difference between advocating for Linux in its own threads or where especially relevant (no problem!) and every Windows question getting answered with just “use Linux instead!” (aggravating and unhelpful).
I’ve certainly seen worse than this thread in this regard, however.
Its not a linux issue. If you go into linux threads there’s plenty of people advocating for windows.
Even through the question is asking about windows 10 vs 11 it still makes sense to suggest alternatives.
Honestly, I completely agree with the sentiment, although in this particular case OP just asked “upgrade to 11 or Linux?” While indicating that they already have some degree of comfort with Linux after having it on a laptop, so the Linux advocates in this thread have a bit of a leg to stand on in this case.
However: when there are questions like “how do I do X in Y software on Z operating system” it’s completely valid to be frustrated with the evangelists who come out of the woodwork and say “just use this other OS” because it completely misses the point of the question.
And that goes for Windows, Mac, and Linux evangelists.
Honestly if you’re ok with a little tinkering you can use Linux for gaming nowadays.
I fully switched about a week ago using NixOS, so far it’s been pretty smooth sailing, and generally better performance than when it ran windows
Have run overwatch, diablo, modded Minecraft (with shaders) and a bunch of steam games so far.
Have yet to run epic games on it but I’ve heard it’s pretty seamless with a launcher called heroic (which imo works better than epic’s own one anyway)
Only games I’ve found that don’t work are because of deliberate effort on the devs’ part (Halo MCC, Roblox and dragon ball breakers)
Depending on the game tinkering may not be needed. With proton most of my games except like dead by daylight it was install and press play
Dead by Daylight is actually running now on linux after the devs chose to unblock linux in EAC.
Oh yeah absolutely the only tinkering I’ve really needed to do is make sure I installed steam properly (NixOS) and a little bit of jiggery pokery for battle.net games (though battle.net is actually really good, you just give it a path to the game files and away you go)
Thankfull y I don’t have to stress with tinkering on mint but I get the advantages nixos has
Never tried mint but weirdly enough NixOS has been the easiest distro for me so far, haven’t run into any weird bugs in drivers or my touchpad not working after hibernation etc like I have in Ubuntu based distros
(Other than the bugs I caused myself that is)
One of the many reasons I use mint is it does things better significantly than Ubuntu based distros
I have Windows 11 on my notebook and Windows 10 on my gaming PC.
Please, for the love of god (or your precious sanity), use Windows 10. :D
My laptop had a lot of issues with stability while gaming. I tried win10 and the issues were completely gone… My new desktop came with win11 and has no stability issues 🤯
I still prefer the win10 UI.
No, install linux
This is the answer. I didn’t even bother fixing my windows install since I migrated my gaming PC to Garuda Linux. Everything I need works without a hitch.
I upgraded 10 to 11 and really liked it. Problem with linux is all the commandline if you want to do advanced stuff.
Then i got a gpt-4 subscription and installed arch linux with hyperland. I aint looking back, everytime i use a windows system now it feels slow and prehistoric… sometimes though you get some weird problem you just don’t wanna deal with at the time and then its briefly booting into windows again.
Lol, you installed Arch Linux, with Hyperland, and the complained about how it requires CLI for advanced stuff?
Try Linux Mint or something simpler. At least pick a fair comparison for change.
No no, you read my comment wrong. I used to complain about the cli and lack of gui while trying ubuntu… with a gui.
I am loving my arch setup. And i aint changing soon. Even if really its gpt-4 being a massive mvp to tell me how to do stuff.
Its wasnt as much the cli stuff or any of the advanced stuff i wanted that was the problem but just that my autistic ass needed some easy/good accessible help to learn it in a way schools,google and youtube never could. Commandline is fun now and i look forward to seeing the random pokemon i get every time.
Ah I see! I missed the ‘then’ part and assumed you’re describing the setup you’re complaining about.
What version of Ubuntu were you using? While I have felt like this in the past, it’s been improving more and more to a point I could configure all I need without CLI (selection of toolset does come a long way).
Not sure but it was a desktop version with a gui. This was on my dedicated server so not my main machine that i switched to arch. I’ve actually went to completely remove that ubuntu which was a mess from my own misdoings and experiments and started from scratch with the last LTS version of linux-server, fully in commandline. In less then a weekend i restored all the initial functionality, fixed the previously broken functionality and added some extra features to it. But again the moment i dont know how to do something i am skipping google straight for the AI genie.
Hyprland - so a window manager? Sorry, don’t use Linux so not sure what you’re gaining.
How does GPT-4 help with Arch? Can it run commands in the console?
I’m heavily reliant on Photoshop and related Adobe software for work, so I’ll have to stick with MacOS for now, but Linux sounds very tempting.
Incidentally, I use Magnet for window management, and it is the bee’s knees, especially since I mapped out shortcuts for my preferred placements 😍
Also, Raycast is my homeboy ❤️
Hyperland is a windows manager yes because i have cognitive challenges that require visual sorting of information.
What i gain? Super sayan levels of fast. Productivity goes brrr. Completely customizable (really into that) and it looks and feels sweet AF. This is with the hyperdot configuration found here, check out the vid. https://github.com/prasanthrangan/hyprdots
GPT-4: it knows linux much much better then i do. I have no api so i cant just give the command box but stuff like: “provide easy to follow instructions and commands to set up x, y, z” wielded me way better result then trying the same stuff alone in linux before. I completely redid a server project i worked for more then a year on in less then a weekend. I also use it as a command cheatsheet because i suck at remembering commands and the answers on google are burried Between ads.
Photoshop: This was a worry of myself aswell, a friend send me this “https://github.com/Gictorbit/photoshopCClinux“ Havent tried yet but its not the only option either. As i said elsewhere you can often straight up run windows installed exes from a different drive using lutrius and proton.
I am gonna need to checkout Magnet and Raycast. They seem very promising for my job where i can only use Windows.
Good luck if you try it! (Maybe in a vm at first)
Windows 11 is extremely spyware, even more so than previous windows versions.
I used to use Windows all the time, but now I only use it for gaming. It’s kind of weird to me how many Microsoft apps there are for Linux now.
Linux gaming has become much more viable of late with proton
Indeed, quite a suprise when i realized you can use lutrius to straight up start and play games installed on my windows drive.
😲 Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
@lemon @webghost0101 You can even achieve that with just #Wine. I carefully set up my Wine on my two devices with #DXVK on one and #GalliumNine on the other. Took a while, to be honest.
But now, together with wine-binfmt and icoutils, I can just double-click any #Windows game. 🍷
Lutris does pretty much all the main game stores. GOG, Steam, Uplay, EAOrigin, Epic. IIRC they also have custom wine scripts to install with recommended settings so you almost always have the best config out of the box.
There’s also Heroic, which only does GOG and Epic, but is a bit cleaner and easier to use.
Thats why you enable the telemetry thing in the motherboard for the installation only and prolly disable it afterwards :p no warning errors, no fuss. Works. Shows how shit it is that they require it.
Uhhhh what telemetry thing in the motherboard?
If you mean the TPM, that’s not for telemetry, it’s for security. It does still have some implications you might not enjoy though - IF you use bitlocker on Windows AND have TPM enabled, I believe you can’t move your drive to another device because it requires the original device’s TPM for decryption (and no, you can’t just swap out a TPM module either - it won’t be the considered the same device). That’s about all you need to fear from the TPM.
All the windows telemetry stuff is in Windows settings. And of course there’s some you can’t disable in windows settings either, but there’s scripts for stuff and you can run pihole and block every non-essential microsoft domain.
TPM isn’t for your security, it’s for Microsoft and Disney and other megacorps’ security against you
That’s a side effect of your device being more secure, yes. After all, the most secure device is a simple rock. Nobody can hack it and it can’t rip Marvel movies off Disney+.
To be clear, Microsoft doesn’t give a single fuck about you doing piracy, they actually need your device to be secure because otherwise you might switch to another OS for security. Disney and the like, however, will likely in the future require you to use a TPM2 device for advanced DRM.
Of course, if this is something you’re rightly worried about, the right course of action isn’t to install Windows and disable TPM (which also, as I said, does nothing for disabling Telemetry). It’s to install a Linux distro that’s hopefully not Ubuntu, because that’s way too commercial and not free enough.
Also, at the moment, the Linux desktop install base is small enough that any streaming service can just disable their services for Linux users altogether, TPM or not. So we do actually need to be voting with our OS installs and sooner rather than later.
What does it mean to be secure? Allowing a megacorp to mandate what you can and can’t do on your own hardware means that hardware is less secure, not more.
The way it was explained to me was that TPM allows windows to get a unique identifier for your motherboard which is supposedly similary to how nvidia identifies users for telemetry with gpus. But i digress i am not an expert on these particular kinds of tech.
Why would windows make it mandatory if its only required for an optional feature?
Your motherboard already has a unique identifier, as does your CPU, your GPU, and I believe your RAM too. It’s how their licensing system can tell when your existing Windows install has been transferred to another set of hardware You can overwrite data on your motherboard, but it’s like 0.0001% of users who’d do that, so Microsoft doesn’t care.
Now, it’s possible there are errors in what I’m saying next, I’m not an expert. But here’s how I understand it.
TPM allows Windows to make sure it’s still on the exact same machine it was on before, for sure. No trickery. So if you lock your drive with Bitlocker using TPM, it’s not possible to just clone your drive and try to unlock in another machine. Any data theft requires the user to have possession of the exact machine you configured it on, in addition to your Windows/Microsoft password. And if someone does something funky with your motherboard firmware, you can’t unlock the drive either, because it’s no longer the same trusted one. At the same time, a legitimate firmware update from the manufacturer can screw things up too if they’re negligent about it. I believe Bitlocker has recovery keys for occasions such as this.
It’s also a sort of a secure key storage I believe, so things like Windows Hello facial recognition use it (Apple similarly uses T2 for touch ID on modern macs, but since touch ID came before T2, I’m not sure what they used before).
Basically it has security features, some of them allow for comfort features, some for stuff you don’t need too much as a regular joe, but Microsoft is enforcing better security defaults like this because there are ridiculously obscure threats out there and they don’t want to be known as “the operating system that gets the most viruses” anymore. Windows is already the only operating system you need to pay money for (MacOS licenses are technically free, but you do need the hardware, so there’s still a cost to be fair), but it’s also got the reputation for being the least secure historically (no longer such a clear cut case, thanks to the work they’ve been putting in, for an example, Microsoft Defender is actually pretty decent).
You think the treacherous computing module actually obeys your command to stop betraying you?
If i cant trust my bios to actually disable certain features when i disable them there then i might aswell worry that they installed a secret kernel acces mini os that spys on any os i might use.
They did. Intel calls it the Intel Management Engine, AMD calls it the Platform Security Processor.
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No <-- The actual post Honestly have experienced quite a bit issues with Windows rather than Windows 10, not to mention the design wise they went with Windows 11… its terrible not to mention several issues that has happened (couple of them not fixed as of yet)
personally I like a windows 11 for my main gaming focused desktop and arch linux with KDE for my laptop windows 10 just feels like a less finished windows 11 to me now
You know what, I am going to let you figure that one out for yourself. A lot of us already pointed out Linux, but if you’re asking that question, then you’re probably reaching the point that you are considering the switch already. Everyone has their own breaking point with Windows, Microsoft will NEVER reduce their ads/telemetries on Windows going forward, it only going to get worse.
Good luck! And we’ll see you on Linux in a few years.
I like windows 11 better than 10. The UI is better (besides the basic start menu all apps thing) but, I’m just about done with microsoft I think… For the same reason I left reddit, I don’t want to be a commodity. With all the telemetry that is undoubtedly being sent from my windows OS (even when disabling everything I can) it makes me uncomfortable (even with my pihole on my network)… Getting more and more comfortable with linux as a daily driver. For years, linux was always just those work computers I’ve dealt with but the more I want to get away from being a product. The more I realize linux is what I need.
On a super recent Intel CPU with BIG.little architecture, I believe 11 has better scheduling. One day when games start to make use for it, 11 has DirectStorage and I believe 10 doesn’t?
If you have an ultrawide display, you might appreciate the start button in the middle.
And that’s about all the pros of Windows 11. Now for the cons: They’ve greatly dumbed down the context menu, so now you have to click the “more options” or whatever button nearly every time. Also it’s possible that they fixed it a already but when I tried 11 near launch, the context menu took about 2 seconds to appear. Zen 2 CPU, 32 GB of decent DDR4 and an NVMe boot drive so it should be snappy And it’s Windows. I right click on EVERYTHING because I’m not used to the weird-ass non-unix console. Gimme right click -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder), not right click -> wait 2 seconds -> show more options -> 7-zip -> extract to (subfolder)
But overall, Windows 11 isn’t all that different. There are some UI changes, but it’s surviveable.
I too am in the “Only stuck on Windows for gaming” crowd. My previous jaunt going full Linux was by far the most successful, but Nvidia’s poor Linux support and performance once again led me back to the Microsoft world on Desktop.
re: context menu
Don’t trust me here, or any post giving commands like this. You can search for steps to revert the context menu to pre-simplified versions. You can do the same as this command manually using regedit and finding the correct keys/etc… After this, reboot and you have your menu back to a usable state.
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID\{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /veI know it’s possible, but honestly, I just went back to 10 because I wanted to reinstall anyway (among other reasons, to greatly reduce my Windows partition size, which could technically be done in place, but it’s nicer when you don’t need to concern yourself with the physical data layout on the drive - I don’t wanna defrag my SSD lol).
It’s entirely possible I’ll quit using Windows for good before the 2025 deadline even hits. Linux gaming is just getting pretty good these days.
There is a registry entry that reverts 11 to the old context menu behavior.
Sure, but nearly every Linux desktop environment I’ve tried has been great out of the box and configuration is presented to you in a settings application rather than in registry, where you have to google how to do anything.
In short, no.
In detail, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
To add to this… ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Windows 11 is supported longer and will receive patches for longer than Windows 10. In fact, I believe Windows 10 is only supported for a few more years. To ensure that you do not have an unpatched (therefore insecure) operating system on the internet, you will either migrate to a newer version of Windows or to a different operating system eventually.
That all being said, Windows 11 was commonly referred to as being faster than Windows 10 on the same hardware. The largest gripes are that Windows 11 has very strict system requirements (therefore not officially working on most computers) and that Windows 11 has a different user interface (taking away some things people like). Windows 10 or 11 are operating systems which basically need to be installed on an SSD so be sure to consider upgrading to that if you have not done so already.
I’m pretty sure that an upgrade to Windows 11 can be reverted and you can go back to Windows 10 if necessary. Still, I would back up any valuable data before experimenting.
On the Linux side of the world, Steam can be installed on Linux and devices such as the Steam Deck exist. Depending on what games you play on your gaming PC, Linux could be an option.
The differences between Windows 10 and Linux are greater than the differences between Windows 10 and Windows 11. In other words, Windows 11 may be a bit better or worse (depending on your opinion) but it isn’t majorly better or worse.
Windows 10 will be supported until October of 2024
Because of that I’m planning to get a bigger NVME drive and dual-boot my system on Windows and Linux. I did a full switch for a couple months after the beginning of the year and it went alright.
*October 2025, so there’s still faint hope that Windows 11 will be fixed by then.
Windows 11.1 (or whatever they end up calling it) will definitely be out by then
Gaming on Linux has gotten much better in the recent years. Honestly with the exception of games that use anit-cheat software, most games play just fine on Linux systems. I’ve abandoned windows, but my PC at work has windows 11 on it. I feels snappier and definitely looks better than windows 10. I’d say upgrade, but that’s going to be your preference (I’d go Linux unless you play mostly fps or competitive games)
I’ve been running 11 since the first leak and haven’t looked back. I actually really dislike using 10 in comparison.
Install Linux instead lmao
