• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    7 months ago

    Stop sending weapons to what end?

    To stop the killing in Gaza? Israel has all the bombs it needs right now to level Gaza and the West Bank multiple times over within about 90 minutes, if it wanted. So the idea that Israel needs US weapons to continue prosecuting the war in Hamas is made up nonsense. So stopping weapons sales to Israel will have literally zero effect whatsoever on the future of Gaza or anyone in it, but it does have the effect of giving away our leverage for nothing in return.

    • Windex007@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      7 months ago

      Israel has the luxury of operating as a regional belligerent based on the perception that the USA has given them carte blanche. There is no reason for Israel to engage in any good faith diplomacy with anyone in the region. This is a major reason for the reality that exists now.

      So, yeah, I wholly disagree with you on this one. Communicating (through demonstration) that there exist limits to military support would necessarily force Israel to retool their foreign policy.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        edit-2
        7 months ago

        That’s logical and all, and they would certainly have to retool, again though, to what end? Israel is surrounded by people who view democratic government as infidelity to God for which the punishment is death. The widely popular idea throughout the Arab world, especially among the bigger powers, i.e. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iran, is that governments should suspend diplomatic relations with Israel and stop recognizing its rights to exist, if they even do recognize it right now.

        If the US pulls out support for Israel, what incentive do those nations have not to obliterate Israel and steal back all the holy piles of rocks they think are so important?

        • Windex007@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          7 months ago

          Israel is surrounded by people who view democratic government as infidelity to God for which the punishment is death

          This is plainly put not true. I’m honestly at a loss of how to even respond to this statement, because it is completely unteathered from reality.

          If the US pulls out support for Israel, what incentive do those nations have not to obliterate Israel and steal back all the holy piles of rocks they think are so important?

          It’s not a binary state.

          If I walk into a bar with my buddy, the two statements of

          “You’re the king and any fight you want to start I’ll finish” and “If we get into trouble I have your back, but don’t go looking for a fight” are obviously two completely different things.

        • Richard@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          7 months ago

          Now this is just plain racism toward Arabs. Your reasoning suggests that they are incapable of organising democratic forms of government, and that only enlightened Israelis are able to achieve that.