The title is a bit misleading, as the article lists diverging analysts’ opinions, ranging from Valve willing to sell at a loss or low margins, to high prices due to RAM and SSD price volatility.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blackeco.com/post/2330473

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    17 hours ago

    Where are you going to buy games for Steam Machine? Steam obviously, there’s no competition.

    Simply not true.

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        Heroic launcher lets you install games from other launchers although Steam experience is better. But, biggest thing is you can just install Windows, which those who play games that refuse to enable anticheat on Linux will end up doing if this is going to be their main PC.

        Like imagine if you could pick up a PS5 or Xbox and install Linux or Windows on it. Id pick one up for that purpose completely negating the reason Sony and Xbox put out the hardware, which is to get people to buy from their store and take 30% of every sale so even if they sold at a loss they are guaranteed to recoup it. Open that hardware up though and they’ll have system that are just going to be a loss.

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          Does Heroic launcher guarantee that the game you bought will not break Wine compatibility when patched by the developer? What kind of consumer experience are you trying to sell here?

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            What’s to keep Windows from deciding to get rid of allowing people to install any exe? What’s to stop them from deciding to charge a 30% fee of all transactions from exes that they allow to be published? Whats to stop them from banning Steam, Epic, GOG from existing on their OS so everything is through the Microsoft Store?

            What if? What if?

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              What stops Windows? Business consumers paying for the OS and the fact that they don’t have any successful app store. What stops Valve?

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        16 hours ago

        GoG, epic, any other store really. Proton is made by valve but it works in whatever, and there are tools now to use proton (not wine, proton) outside of steam to get all the goodies you got on top. Heroic launcher does that for the games you get from the Amazon store, gog, epic, and any other exe you got.

        I even installed battle net, and once you open it everything you install from there works in that bubble and work, I played plenty HOTS games.

        I play modded D2 without much issues.

        You know why the steam market share in Linux is so high? Because they are the ones that put the work to make windows games work on Linux. Yes, wine existed before but they both adapted it for games and contributed to the overall wine project a ton. Also, iirc, steamdecks make up for 30% of the Linux machines from valve’s yearly reports. The market is tremendously tiny yet.

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            16 hours ago

            Why is that even relevant? You said people can only get games on Steam and that’s just not true

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              16 hours ago

              If they have no market share then that competition exists in theory only.

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                14 hours ago

                You’re not seeing the forest for the trees. Just because other game distribution vectors lack market share does not mean there are no alternatives to Steam. People have options, but they overwhelmingly choose Steam based on the quality of their product and service. If others decide to improve those things or a particular game is better priced or contains more content on another service, the consumer is free to choose that distributor.

                Market share is completely irrelevant in this case.

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                  14 hours ago

                  Market share is very much relevant to determining if some company has a dominant position in that market. You people would be arguing that Internet Explorer 6 wasn’t a monopoly because Mozilla and Opera existed.

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                    14 hours ago

                    Homie you’re having a completely different argument than the rest of us. It’s been explained to you like 3 different ways now. Not sure what else to tell you, so yeah. Believe what you want to believe, big dog.

                    How do you explain piracy being a perfectly viable option to game on this new console? You never need to buy the first game to use this machine effectively.

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                You can launch any .exe through Steam using Proton… You don’t even need to buy the games if that’s your prerogative.

                Where the software is from is entirely irrelevant.

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                  15 hours ago

                  Just walk me through what prevents Valve from following Google’s footsteps in commoditising Linux only to lock it down like they are doing currently.

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                    Linux and proton are open source, and their licenses allow literally anyone to fork it. GE-Proton already exists.

                    How are they currently locking Linux down? The Steam Deck is literally a desktop PC, and can do anything a desktop Linux PC can do (including using it in desktop mode which is KDE Plasma). You can even install a different Linux distro (or Windows if you’re a freak) on it if you want. There’s literally nothing locked down about it.