The US govt shutdown is a distraction. The real story is the generals being fired by Hegseth. When they are replaced by Trump loyalists, the real civil war will begin. The goal of Project 2025 is to install a white supremacist evangelical ruling class in power. They have already published everything they want to do, all you have to do is look.
Nothing is just a distraction. They’re all just similarly evil parts of the plan, that they have fully documented, and that people just kinda keep ignoring.
For there to be any kind of real “civil war” there would need to be a very clear distinction between sides and goals alongside states declaring their intent for sovereignty, as well and would need some form of oppositional army with organization.
The USA is far, far from a real civil war. We’re talking a generation or more and that’s in the worst case timeline.
The terms people need to recognize and understand are “militarized police state” and “civil unrest.”
These conditions may lead to a civil war at some point, but so far the bickering between states that don’t want Trump to do this and that are nothing remotely close to the conditions that start a civil war.
I get it, we want something to happen. We want retribution and justice and some kind of satisfying pushback. But I don’t think it’s helpful for any of us to “Tim Pool” the situation and try to pound the war-drums so we normalize violence. The current situation can and most likely will start facing mitigation during the mid-terms if there’s no authoritarian takeover. Right now, even if that happens, you would see rioting and possibly even a coup long, LONG before you would see a civil war.
For there to be any kind of real “civil war” there would need to be a very clear distinction between sides and goals alongside states declaring
That’s how the US Civil War happened, but frequently a national Civil War does not have such clear boundaries and sides. See Syria for a very messy conflict where about the only thing defining one ‘side’ was ‘not Assad’ and very little agreement other than that.
Civil war would be the worst possible outcome to be sure, but a messy situation can just as easily feed a civil war.
I’m not saying it has to be the same conditions as our “last” civil war, that might as well have taken place on another planet compared to today’s political and information landscape.
I’m saying here and now, today, we would need far different political and geographic lines for there to be anything resembling a “civil war” and really what we’re talking about is civil unrest and groups who may rise up in the coming years or decades willing to commit acts of violence. Even then that’s not a “civil war” and many nations have come back from that kind of disturbance. Even the US has had more internal revolts, coups and domestic terror groups than we have now. (Look up the original anarchist movement in the US for a wild ride through history.)
I personally take issue with people talking about “civil war” because it doesn’t help anything, if anything it removes us further from reality and reinforces the idea that “something is going to happen” by itself, that “someone is coming” to do something and create a big change. Literally, this is the same narrative the Christian right uses but theirs involves Jesus. It prevents people from investing in anything, from taking part in their community, from starting grassroots movements to change our political foundations.
Except most of the Founding Fathers were Deists. The churches of the time were mostly semi-Puritanical, and to an Evangelical, would be an absolute horror. A church that held so strictly to doctrine that they punished everyone for anything sinful, actually cared for the poor and sick (if only to bring them into the fold), and preached damnation and punishment in Hell. Stark contrast to the newer Prosperity Gospel (aka Grift), philandering, do what I want to whom I want and ask forgiveness at the end Evangelicals. The Founding Fathers were against religious control because they knew they wouldn’t be able to do much, or lose their power, as it would be seen as sinful. Now the Church has become so damn corrupt it now gives politicians a pass so long as it brings the Church more money. At this point I’m waiting on a holy war or two and a schism of power to eliminate the Church’s power again…
There were nearly ~150 years in colonial america (1630-1776) wherein the puritan crown did exactly what you describe as evangelical. My 8th great grandfather was arrested for baptizing too late into the day on a Sunday and spent many months incarcerated in Boston as a result.
The witch trials were really the puritans of Massachussets attempting to annex Maine. History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.
The US govt shutdown is a distraction. The real story is the generals being fired by Hegseth. When they are replaced by Trump loyalists, the real civil war will begin. The goal of Project 2025 is to install a white supremacist evangelical ruling class in power. They have already published everything they want to do, all you have to do is look.
Nothing is just a distraction. They’re all just similarly evil parts of the plan, that they have fully documented, and that people just kinda keep ignoring.
Some of those fired generals might be taking their knowledge and experience with them, FWIW.
For there to be any kind of real “civil war” there would need to be a very clear distinction between sides and goals alongside states declaring their intent for sovereignty, as well and would need some form of oppositional army with organization.
The USA is far, far from a real civil war. We’re talking a generation or more and that’s in the worst case timeline.
The terms people need to recognize and understand are “militarized police state” and “civil unrest.”
These conditions may lead to a civil war at some point, but so far the bickering between states that don’t want Trump to do this and that are nothing remotely close to the conditions that start a civil war.
I get it, we want something to happen. We want retribution and justice and some kind of satisfying pushback. But I don’t think it’s helpful for any of us to “Tim Pool” the situation and try to pound the war-drums so we normalize violence. The current situation can and most likely will start facing mitigation during the mid-terms if there’s no authoritarian takeover. Right now, even if that happens, you would see rioting and possibly even a coup long, LONG before you would see a civil war.
That’s how the US Civil War happened, but frequently a national Civil War does not have such clear boundaries and sides. See Syria for a very messy conflict where about the only thing defining one ‘side’ was ‘not Assad’ and very little agreement other than that.
Civil war would be the worst possible outcome to be sure, but a messy situation can just as easily feed a civil war.
I’m not saying it has to be the same conditions as our “last” civil war, that might as well have taken place on another planet compared to today’s political and information landscape.
I’m saying here and now, today, we would need far different political and geographic lines for there to be anything resembling a “civil war” and really what we’re talking about is civil unrest and groups who may rise up in the coming years or decades willing to commit acts of violence. Even then that’s not a “civil war” and many nations have come back from that kind of disturbance. Even the US has had more internal revolts, coups and domestic terror groups than we have now. (Look up the original anarchist movement in the US for a wild ride through history.)
I personally take issue with people talking about “civil war” because it doesn’t help anything, if anything it removes us further from reality and reinforces the idea that “something is going to happen” by itself, that “someone is coming” to do something and create a big change. Literally, this is the same narrative the Christian right uses but theirs involves Jesus. It prevents people from investing in anything, from taking part in their community, from starting grassroots movements to change our political foundations.
Pretty sure that’s Project 1776.
Except most of the Founding Fathers were Deists. The churches of the time were mostly semi-Puritanical, and to an Evangelical, would be an absolute horror. A church that held so strictly to doctrine that they punished everyone for anything sinful, actually cared for the poor and sick (if only to bring them into the fold), and preached damnation and punishment in Hell. Stark contrast to the newer Prosperity Gospel (aka Grift), philandering, do what I want to whom I want and ask forgiveness at the end Evangelicals. The Founding Fathers were against religious control because they knew they wouldn’t be able to do much, or lose their power, as it would be seen as sinful. Now the Church has become so damn corrupt it now gives politicians a pass so long as it brings the Church more money. At this point I’m waiting on a holy war or two and a schism of power to eliminate the Church’s power again…
There were nearly ~150 years in colonial america (1630-1776) wherein the puritan crown did exactly what you describe as evangelical. My 8th great grandfather was arrested for baptizing too late into the day on a Sunday and spent many months incarcerated in Boston as a result.
The witch trials were really the puritans of Massachussets attempting to annex Maine. History may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme.