(i know this is an exchange between some of the worst people of the internet)
Grok, is this true?
Are you deadnaming mecha Hitler?
Grok, draw a rendition of this, but without furries this time.
Great now you just have Loss.
Ok Grok, I’ll compromise - add sonic-chu
I have plenty of conversations with transphobic family members and there seems to be a lot of this misunderstanding going around.
There seems to be this belief that trans people are all biological men trying to impose on women’s spaces, whether that’s saying that a man can have a period, or saying that a trans woman can compete in women’s sports.
It’s an interesting Schrödinger’s cat type phenonomenon - a trans woman cannot use a woman’s toilet, so that means that a trans man (who is indistinguishable from a cis male) SHOULD use women’s toilets, which is problematic.
All of these transphobic beliefs seem to erase the existence of trans men, they only take cis men into account. So saying, “A biological male cannot give birth” is, 99% of the time, accurate. But that isn’t what saying, “a man can give birth” means exactly, it’s a more nuanced statement that supports the existence of trans men. “Boys” can have periods, because trans boys exist.
If it is common / possible for biological men to give birth, I’m not aware of that so I can’t comment on it, but I do believe that 9/10 transphobia stems from misunderstanding what you’re actually talking about. Otherwise I can’t see why people would be continuously so hateful to something that is so harmless to anybody who isn’t trans.
a man can have a period
I assume based on context that this is a typo and you meant can’t.
I recently learned that holy shit trans women despite most likely not having a uterus, start experiencing periods once they’re far enough along with HRT. Like full on period cramps, moodiness and everything!
No no, it wasn’t a typo. I meant it as an example of things which make headlines nowadays.
A school said, “Men can have periods” the world is going mad!
Some people believe this is somehow erasing biological women, when usually somebody making that statement are actually talking about biological women who happen to be trans men (which can be and should be referred to as men - which is what I did).
Oh okay I misunderstood what kind of crazyposting you were trying to reference
Man.
Men.See? See!?
Pretty sure Prager is STILL dying. lmao.
he gets 1 empathy point from me because it was lowkey funny that he called david rockefeller a “good man” and great american
There’s really only one way to check…
Fuck them in the bussy?
Anyone want a lab partner?
Just checked, I can’t either.
Pick a definition that doesn’t exclude cis. Go on. I fucking dare you.
Some very very strong men checked very hard for a couple of hours, but nothing! It’s a mystery!
I’m sure they said “no homo” so everything’s fine.
How do they even define “man?” People with xy chromosomes have given birth before.
What’s a man? A miserable little pile of secrets!
We have made the same mistake over and over again when dealing with conservatives, which is the assumption that they give a micron of a shit about definitions and facts.
They are not living in a fact-based world, and we resent them for that because they are benefitting from the science, facts and reason that has build the world they cherish.
But we can make far more effective arguments if we meet them on an emotional level in these debates. I’ve seen more progress made in debates by progressives asking them what they would do if their own son or daughter was gay or trans than all the graphs and statistics in the world.
Or at the very least, call them heartless, weird, child-hating, freedom-hating, etc.
I don’t disagree, just pointing out - engaging them on an emotional level (in a different way) is exactly what happened in OP.
What is a man?
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(Inb4 “a miserable pile of secrets” :p)
That’s a geek about to do his job.
That’s Diogenes trolling Plato. So technically a Greek about to do his job.
thx for the inb4 :D legendary line
WHAT IS A WOMAN! /s
I know you are /s but I will respond /srs.
The fact that people in support of trans rights often can’t give a satisfying definition of “woman” is certainly not very problematic or even important at all, but it’s a big sticking point for conservatives and it would be nice to have a real answer.I haven’t tried this on real people yet, but I think that you can use a simple comparison to show that they also can’t simply define identity words. For example, they probably can’t come up with a simple definition of “father” that includes/excludes all the right people. Pester them on this point. Is a sperm donor a father? Is a man who adopts children a father? Is any male caretaker a father? Is a father-in-law a father? Is a step-father a father? Is an absent father a father?
If they end up with a very complicated & unintuitive flowchart definition, ask them: when someone says “as a father, this concerns me” or “I’m not a good father”, what do they actually mean? Are they referring to your definition? or to a vaguely-defined identity that’s really based in feelings and values?
This really easily transitions into talking about gender because then you can ask them to explain what people mean when they say “man up” or “be a man”. Nobody says those things to mean “be a penised adult human”, it’s obviously about feelings and values.The real strength of the “what is a woman” argument is that theres no answer that puts you ahead. If you draw a line, you get absolutely creamed for being some bigoted transphobe, if you take an open stance now you’re against women. If you say you can have your cake and eat it too you’re ridiculed for the inconsistency.
I’m interested to read about this, please link to some more information.
Edit: found some, it’s not hard to search online for it.
pretty bold of you to assume PragerU would use the therm “cis” in this context.
And a lot of transmen have also, even after being on hormone treatment for a while, thus looking just like cismen at a glance. Put them in women’s toilets, hmm, no?? What’s the problem, I thought only genetics mattered?? Like the very important genes that dictate that only women can wear dresses???
Hmm, if only there was the possibility of no strict binaries actually existing considering biological sex and social expressions of gender varying wildly even between cultures, but alas!
h-how did u check
PragerU went around asking “U Prager?”
How is babby formed? How girl get pragnant
I don’t get the impression that there the type to ask.
Femboys are jus so dang cute
👉👈
UwU?
Dennis Pregger 🤨📸
Penis Preggers*
The funny thing about this is transmasc people actually cant get pregnant, so in a way, they’re unintentionally right (of course many asterisks as this depends a lot on a lot).
Clearly they have never seen the movie Junior (1994), starring Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I seem to remember John Hurt giving birth to a chestburster on video so I call bullshit.
All we know from the aforementioned video is that John Hurt swallows, not spits.
It would also be funny if a furry pfp account were replying to preggerU.
