11 years old in the seventh grade is atypical. this child skipped a grade, maybe two. absolutely insane for punishing level-headed behavior for a child with school expulsion. definitely feels like potentially a classic
motivated decision.typically turn 11 in fifth or the summer after. so a smart kid… who also happens to not be white.
gotta kick 'em down while you still have a chance, i guess.
In America they have so many guns in schools and sometimes children will find one and take it apart to get rid of it but then they will be expelled for committing an act of violence against the gun"He didn’t want to implicate himself, nor did he want to tell on the person that actually brought the firearm"
Ok that’s a problem and a reasonable point to punish I guess, probably not expulsion? Idk
Anyways look at this shit lmao
i watched the new Superman movie last night. there’s a bit where Lex Luthor keeps like a million sci-fi brain enhanced monkeys on a million networked computers constantly posting rabid anti-superman shit on every corner of the internet inside a “pocket universe” and despite the obviously fictional elements, it felt extremely plausible.
lol what
I haven’t seen the movie, but it’s good that they’re finally doing a superman movie that is more accurate to how the characters are depicted in the comics.
Superman was so good, I love James Gunn’s stuff. I know hero movies were beyond old forever ago but I adore the guardians of the galaxy movies (and the game).
The comment section on publications like this is always full of the most unhinged and rabid weirdos.
You are not required to incriminate yourself in this country. He might not know it’s his right but it is.
You are required to incriminate others. It’s understandable that the school would want to know which kid brought a gun to school, that doesn’t mean it’s right that they expelled this kid. It’s not even necessarily the case that the kid who brought a gun to school meant to do anything harmful with it, which is probably why this kid didn’t turn them in. This is just the result of a culture built around the highest rate of incarceration in the world, the harshest punishment is expected in every situation both by those giving it and those receiving it.
You are under no such obligation. You never know what something that someone else has done will or might incriminate you and you cannot be compelled to incriminate yourself. You should protect yourself and others but you and I both know exactly what would have happened to the other kid if he snitched.
You absolutely can be compelled to incriminate others. If incriminating others actually would incriminate yourself, any protection that gives you can be nullified by giving you immunity. Generally, if you refuse to testify when compelled, outside of few circumstances (self-incrimination, various privileges) you can and will be punished. It’s important to be clear about this because it’s important knowledge for anyone who has to live under the
legal system.Of course the other kid would have been expelled, see the final sentence of my comment (quoted below).
This is just the result of a culture built around the highest rate of incarceration in the world, the harshest punishment is expected in every situation both by those giving it and those receiving it.
Whether you could be compelled to give up a peer in this situation in the context of a court (you absolutely could and would be) isn’t relevant. It’s a flawed premise to analyze this situation through the lens of American law even if that were the case, because American law is not designed to help those involved or provide the best outcome for society. This is a story about children being treated like criminals, we shouldn’t be discussing it as though they’re literally on trial. None if it would be a problem if not for the environment fostered by schools where students expect the harshest possible punishment rather than adults to work to help them.
If the administration were interested in helping the children, the silence wouldn’t be necessary because they children would understand that a classmate with harmful intentions would be helped by the teachers, and a classmate who brought a gun for harmless reasons would simply be told calmly why that isn’t acceptable. Instead, you have a country with a carceral obsession creating schools which only know how to punish.
Can be, not are. You are not required to report crimes unless you are a mandatory reporter. Last I checked 11 year olds aren’t that.
If you witness a crime, you are not required to report it. However, if it becomes known that you witnessed it, you can be compelled to testify in court. This doesn’t apply at all to this situation, but I’m saying it because people who might be in court one day in
should understand it.Again, the premise of applying this logic to this situation is incorrect. This isn’t a court, it’s a school. He has no legal rights protecting him from giving up a peer in this context (which means the school could and did expel him), and the correct rights for him to have in an ideal society wouldn’t be the ones granted by the American constitution. A school should be a place where children are nurtured and assisted by adults, not a mirror of a system of courts. The fact that this child was treated as a presumed criminal is a failure, which we can only compound by analyzing it with this legalistic framework. These children should not expect to be punished by default, and these adults should not punish them unless absolutely necessary.
In a fight between gun rights and incarceration, incarceration wins.
I wouldn’t punish him with expulsion, but it’s very important to snitch on a classmate if they are bringing fucking guns to school
You’d be shocked at how often it happens
Expulsion for 1 whole year…
Why are school policies always so silly? Thinking back to the age of “no tolerance”.
We’re still in that age, I think it has to do with systems that depersonalize both those who are subject to them and those who operate them. You would expect school officials to do an investigation and use their critical thinking and judgement to determine that what the kid did was absolutely correct, but the system demands that they set aside their humanity and act like a machine, following the letter of the law and seeking maximum enforcement at all times.
This is only possible because of how alienated we are from each other, and yes capitalism is the primary driver of that alienation and making it worse all the time even though this is not a strictly economic thing.
he deprived that poor gun owner of his second amendment rights!
Zero tolerance policies are so dumb.
I bought a knife from a kid in highschool and left it in my shop locker. A teacher who hated me was snooping around my stuff and found it. Because of a zero tolerance policy I got suspended and got charged criminally. Later when I got in other trouble they ended up expelling me because I had already had a 1 month suspension from the knife.
If it was a white kid he’d be hailed as a hero and meet the president
fucking clown world shit.
God this just broke my heart
good for him ,as there will nobody left to take the gun away tomorrow.
The gun’s name?
