• LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    They are sure to silence any Jewish people who don’t agree with the regime and the genocide. It’s a VERY controlled country and free speech does not exist.

    Israel has always been a problem that the world can’t help because they refuse to be helped. They just want more weapons and death.

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    Is it though?

    Nothing has changed because our leaders in business and politics all have video of them having sex with underage children and or numerous other crimes in the possession of Israel. Until that changes Israel will remain with unaccountable support. Not even killing millions of people in concentration camps will shake their support from our lawmakers. And apparently we can’t change our lawmakers either. Of either party.

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    i feel so awful for antizionist jews who are facing a rising tide of shit like “you know jews, always doing genocide”

    israel is fueling antisemitism and calling anyone who resists it antisemites. this genocide has almost nothing to do with judaism and jewish identity and everything to do with colonialism and european identity.

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      israel is fueling antisemitism and calling anyone who resists it antisemites

      One of the big effects of this is that it really waters down the term antisemite. If someone gets called an antisemite for saying Israel is committing a genocide, then an actual bona-fide antisemite gets antisemitic, the former person will be biased towards believing the label is unjustified on them as well

      • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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        i’ve also seen some people come to hate all jews because israel’s rhetoric has led them to the conclusion that antisemitism must be a positive thing. it’s such a fuckin’ nightmare

    • ripcord@lemmy.world
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      I haven’t seen almost anyone saying “you know Jews, always doing genocide”.

      It’s pretty consistently “you know Israel, always doing genocide”.

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        lucky you. it’s a little different for me being amongst those antizionist jews i was mentioning. i run into that shit at least once a week

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            it’s exhausting speaking out against genocide while at the same time defending yourself from accusations of being pro genocide. best i can do is best i can do to live my life in a manner that inhibits racists from their aims

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        Even if you don’t think it’s happening already though, obviously it’s going to head that way. That’s just human nature.

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      And jews that do speak out against the genocide get pummeled by Israel and they shut up after that, making the overall sentiment against jews even worse.

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        Yep. Israel is holding aloft the very real rise in antisemitic discourse taking place around the world to convince members of the Jewish diaspora that soon Israel will be the only safe sanctuary left, and that it’s time to start being cool with their horrible history.

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          it’s antisemitic as fuck. i can’t think of anyone who hates Judaism more than the Likud, choosing to erase much of our history to create a new neovolkisch history. israel is trying to finish what the nazis started: a complete erasure of the jewish identity as anything other than a collective of spite and duplicity. it’s completely infuriating both that they should do this and that it is working.

          israelis terrify me. they inherited all the same foods and stories i did, and their capital is named after a city my great great grandmother loved, and their takeaway isn’t that our purpose in this world is to help others resist genocide, but instead that… they should commit genocide to ensure… something. their interpretation of my identity is so far afield of my interpretation that i can’t even fathom what the fuck they’re doing.

          it makes me so angry

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            In case you were wondering, they don’t actually believe anything, they are cynical to the Core, nihilists believing only in self-interest. Forcing their others into ghettos that they are trying to exterminate, including using starvation with exact repeats of the European ghettos like Warsaw.

            The rumors about Epstein being an israelli honey pot clearly were not false. Our lawmakers and Business Leaders across the West must have some serious dirt on them to prevent them from stopping even such a blatant in your face repeat of the Holocaust.

    • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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      Israel is basically Satan shaped into a state, but let’s not forget that they could’ve never done what they’ve done throughout the years without the complete support from their Western peers back home. In this case, the West’s actual hatred of the Jews is getting mixed with the desire for accountability from the 3 righteous folks over there, and Israel is being “scapegoated” because the Zionist project, just like the other Western colonialist projects, is soon to collapse and the powers that be no longer find it a good investment. And I said scapegoated not because Israel is not guilty but because it’s a shared crime against humanity, and the West is doing a Pontius Pilates and washing the blood off their hands, pretending to be innocent because accountability is not a known Western trait and it would be hard/impossible to push a narrative that hurts people’s feefees. Remember that this thorn on humanity’s side was not just created by the British and the French over a century ago, but that even some months ago British ships were protecting Israel against retaliatory drone strikes after the latter suddenly bombed Iran with the help of the Americans (which is the height of Western civilization, the other Franco-British child, the unmasked soul of the West and the final destination for every nation that shares its ethos)…

      • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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        What do you mean by “their Western peers back home”? Are you suggesting Israelis are Westerners and not Middle Easterners?

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          they are. israelis are European colonials whose claim to the Levant is tied to a diasporatic exodus during the late roman empire. Palestinians are indigenous to the Levant, just like the israeli colonists’ ancestors from 1200 years ago. however, the Jews that spent their time in Europe, the Ashkenazi, that dominate israeli settler politics have been disconnected from the Levant for so long and integrated into European society so deeply as a means of survival that their claims to be the rightful heirs to the Levant no longer make sense without needing to erase the history of the Palestinians, many of whom themselves maintain Jewish cultural traditions the Ashkenazi lost.

          so they erase the Palestinians and their stories, just like the Europeans they’ve been around for the last couple millennia did to them. if you truly believe that israelis are from the near east, plain and simple, then there are significant chunks of your understanding of history that are either missing or are outright russian/German/israeli fabrications. i suggest you spend some time reading about the history of my people over the last 200 years to understand that Zionism and the current israeli state are a reactionary response to antisemitic violence in Europe in the late 1800s, and that Zionism is not a universal approach to Jewish identity with the other response to that violence being a philosophy known as doikayt. while you’re reading, too, focus on non European perspectives on what Palestinians call the Nakba, or tragedy. It’s the loss of their ancestral homelands that they’ve been on for 20k years to Europeans claiming to be from there.

          but if you don’t, then please take the following truth with you: the Likud is a white supremecist European colonial project, just like the united states and manifest destiny, or russia’s subjugation of minority peoples across their Asian territory.

          • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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            That’s a massive post that could have been more effectively summed up as “Yes Im that racist and I know fuckall about history”

            Factually the majority of Israelis are from Middle Eastern nations whose relatives were expelled when Israel was created so it is factually inaccurate to suggest that Israelis are Europeans when the above covers roughly 55% of the population.

            Some Palestinians might have ancestry with the original native groups but we would have noway of being able to determine this. We factually do know that there was significant Arab migration into the area at various points and the modern population is related to these Arabs. To be clear there is no “native” population to the Levant that can be proven in any way right now.

            While I agree Likhud is racist and largely counterproductive you have so many overtly factual errors in addition to the overt racism it is difficult for me to take you serious at all.

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              Israeli prime ministers.

              David Ben Gurion 1948 - 1953. Born in Poland Moshe Sharett 1953-1955. Born in the Russian Empire (modern day Ukraine) David Ben Gurion 1955 - 1963. Born in Poland Levi Eshkol 1963 - 1969. Born in Russian Empire (modern day Ukraine) Yigal Allon 1969 (interim PM). Born in Palestine. Father born in Belarus. Maternal grandfather born in Ukraine. Golda Meir 1969 - 1974. Born in Russia. Yitzhak Rabin - 1992 - 1995. Born in Palestine. Father born in Ukraine. Mother born in Belarus. Shimon Peres - 1995 - 1996. Born in Poland. Benjamin Netanyahu 1996 - 1999. Born in Israel. Father born in Poland. Mother born in Palestine, but was a US citizen. Parents migrated from Lithuania to the US Ehud Barak 1999 - 2001 . Born in Palestine. Mother born in Poland. Father born in Lithuania. Ariel Sharon 2001 - 2006. Born in Palestine. Parents born in Russia. Ehud Olmert 2006 - 2009. Born in Palestine. Parents born in Ukraine and Russia. Benjamin Netanyahu - 2009 - 2021 Naftali Bennett 2021 - 2022. Born in Israel. Parents from the US Yair Lapid 2022. Born in Israel. Father born in Yugaslovia. Mother born in Israel. Maternal grandfather born in Transylvania. Benjamin Netanyahu 2022 - present

              It is true that much of the Israeli population is middle eastern. However the political of Israel has been European from it’s founding until today.

              • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.net
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                (which is what we were talking about until they shifted the goalposts to mean all Jews living within Israeli controlled territory)

          • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.world
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            Btw I should’ve just said “European peers (Americans included, ofc)” but somehow I can’t correct my previous post.

          • QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works
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            Mizrahi Jews are 54% of the population and the Ashkenazi and Sephardic populations are still Jewish people.

            Unless you are so fucking racist that you think “Semite” is a skin tone your reply makes zero sense.

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              Even that would leave a half of European Jews, in a European colonialist, imperialist, murderous project in which the main/only people affected are the locals, the Semites. Man, even Bibi changed his last name, because having Polish, Ukrainian and German last names isn’t good for the narratives. Are you getting paid for this or are you not arguing in good faith and obfuscating the nature of the Zionist project and the cultures behind it for free? 😐

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                100-54=46 46<50 so not half.

                Most Jewish people did not have last names they got them after the migration into Eastern Europe. Many have European last names due to the history of European antisemitism. The fact that you bring this up as something these people chose, rather than it being forced on them as was typically the case, really highlights how poor your understanding isof the history of Jews in Europe.

                No one is paying me I just speak out against overt racism when I see it. You are racist, bad at math and have a shit grasp on history. Do you want a ladder to get out if that hole you keep digging? I’d be perfectly fine with you self creating an oubliette.

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                  Mmm… Somehow you turned my “these are mostly Europeans calling themselves Semites killing Semites” argument into “you’re racist”. Masterful emotional manipulation and change of focus, or you’re just a silly, emotional person defending the narratives you’ve been fed. That’s enough of that. 👋

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      This is a cowards response to genocide. Israel should be economically sanctioned and embargoed. All Israeli visas should be cancelled. Every Israeli government or military member should be charged and imprisoned if they leave Israels jurisdiction.

      They should be ostracised from the international community. Only Israeli’s who publicly oppose Israel should be allowed asylum.

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        The correct response would be for one of the other nuclear-armed powers to come in with the Navy in land and amphibious invasion into Gaza and start shooting down any Israelis in the territory attacking it and reconstructing it.

        France or the uk or the us could end this.

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        Isn’t that what the UN is trying to do, but Israels best buddy uses its veto to make it not happen?

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          No the UN put Hamas on a sexual violence blacklist because Israel said so without evidence and then blocked the UN investigation.

          And then they went “Maybe we will put Israel who is gang raping Palestinians on video on the list next year”.

          This is not made up.

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              I remember when the US let one Security Council resolution pass and everyone thought it would do something but it turned out the UN is utterly worthless and refuses to implement any actual mechanisms.

              Now that all subsequent resolutions are getting blocked, I wonder why anyone even cares about it.

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      because finally the things going on (Gazan genocide), the perpetrator (satan bibi) and the #1 supporter (the US administration) has all become intolerable all at once.