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These Democrats need focus groups and studies to tell them what they should know already. Instead of making public opinion with a strong campaign they just play to the campaigns started by others.
We need new leadership. No shit, popular politicking is more popular in popular elections.
Imagine that. Voters don’t want trickle-down with a new name.
“majorities of Democrats and independents and two in five Republicans believe the outsized power of billionaires and corporations in our government is a bigger problem than red tape and bureaucracy.”
Sounds about right. People with MAGA hats told me they liked Bernie because he hated billionaires.
A lot of people are voting reform, we all know they don’t know what the Republicans are necessarily.
With the Democrats running as the status quo in this time of the plutocratic stealing of our lunches, this was inevitable with Republicans running as a reform.
Yeah no shit. It’s been borne out by election results for decades that lying and telling people what they want to hear is a winning strategy. On average, Americans don’t have any better than an 8th grade reading level. The guy who talks simple is going to be more relatable, and elections are a popularity contest.
If your politician can’t even pretend to want to burn this disgusting system to the fucking ground, then I can’t even pretend to support them 🔥🔥🏴🏴🏴🏴☠️🏴☠️
I don’t want to burn it down. Burning it down will paint the streets in blood,and it won’t be restricted to those you hate. You’ll all lose.
I want a few simple changes, but set in stone.
All this is based on that nobody has some right to be rich and capitalism, if controlled well, is the best way to generate wealth in general.
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Nobody is allowed to have an average yearly net worth of more than X (say, 10 million, just as an example)
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Companies cannot be larger than X in net worth , and Y employees, say 1 billion dollar and 1000 employees, as exampls.
I think with those two you have rock hard limits on power.
Let CEOs be abusive, there will be loads more companies and his won’t survive. Also, now that companies no longer have the power they do now, we can put laws in place that are good for the employees and the lower income and the minorities.
You want to own a company? That’s fine but it’s networth is part of your networth. You might not be able to own more than just that company.
Any networth going over the limit goes to 100 tax until you are at the limit.
The government gets a huge amount of money through taxes that now can be spent on a huge social system. Free healthcare, free housing, free public transportation, free food even or even universal basic income.
Everything can stay as it is, just those three rules should terraform the earh
What we need is a restoration of the post-war years until the seventies when the Business Roundtable made a long game to overturn the New Deal and resulting reforms that led to the prosperity of the working class, never before rivaled in history. Not now obviously. We are quite rivaled in prosperity, well eclipsed by Western europe.
Obviously it wasn’t perfect in the post-war years but the rich after an obscene level of pay face 90% taxes. Banks could only operate in three states, consumer and Commercial Banking was separate, an originator of a Financial Security had to hold a percentage of that security until maturity, and Anti-Trust laws were enforced to name just a few achievements that have been undone in our modern era.
You are right that dropping the Constitution and making something new would lead to something worse at this moment in time. The Constitution is a solid framework however lacking it may be, it is just it is not honored by our political and Judicial Systems. We need a restoration.
“I am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood.”
I don’t want to burn it down. Burning it down will paint the streets in blood,and it won’t be restricted to those you hate.
Good because there’s lots of capitalists working in the background that I’m not personally aware of. And I’m 1000% willing to shoot “friends” and “family” in the fucking face if they put their bodies on the line for the capitalist class. And frankly I’m cool if I end up lined up against the wall and shot in the fucking face by my hypothetical former comrades because at least I could go to my grave in the comfort that the people finally stood up for themselves.
All this is based on that nobody has some right to be rich and capitalism, if controlled well, is the best way to generate wealth in general.
Wow never heard this one before, sure it’s gonna be spicy and interesting /s
Nobody is allowed to have an average yearly net worth of more than X (say, 10 million, just as an example)
Bad solution. The problem is inequality in power itself, not the number to which we assign buying power.
Companies cannot be larger than X in net worth , and Y employees, say 1 billion dollar and 1000 employees, as exampls.
Companies should own nothing and have no rights. Corporate personhood is stupid. Corporations should not exist at all. Privately owned companies should not exist. And while I am inclined to support small organizations over large ones, I do believe that big organizations can exist, i.e. I don’t think that the number of people in a group is necessarily a good indicator of a group’s power. (For example, compare the size of the Democratic Party (or Republicans) to their power.)
You want to own a company? That’s fine
No it’s not lol. The people who do the work should control the company.
The government gets a huge amount of money through taxes that now can be spent on a huge social system. Free healthcare, free housing, free public transportation, free food even or even universal basic income.
Yeah I don’t trust the State to do anything other than enforce the will of the ultra-rich upon the working class. Obviously I’d rather the government do these things than they not happen at all, but I’m not gonna pretend like we scored anything other than temporary breadcrumbs whenever we get concessions from the government in favor of social justice.
Everything can stay as it is, just those three rules should terraform the earh
Please I beg you: dream bigger. Free healthcare, free housing, free public transportation, free food, universal basic income…these things have already been tried in other countries. It’s not even the bare minimum. It’s not even close.
Burning capitalism to the ground is the bare fucking minimum. I’m not supporting your politician until they’re cool with burning the system to the fucking ground. Besides burning the system to the ground, your politician had better be helping the community build prefigurative alternatives to the State and capitalism.
Dream on, because you’ll be waiting to your last day on that shit.
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The research — which tested populist-based messages versus the cutting-red-tape “Abundance” agenda
Like the article said elsewhere, the two messages are not mutually exclusive. I’m perfectly fine with “cutting-red-tape,” where appropriate. By all means. I just don’t think that will be the panacea that people like Klein seem to think it will be. Plus, I don’t think it’s going to be all that easy. Much of the “red-tape” exists for a reason, often to protect the interests and assets of the wealthy. Does Klein think they’re just going to let him get rid of, for instance, zoning laws that many land owners believe are protecting their property values? Not likely.
So, yeah, the Democrats have got to do better than their (I believe to be naive and out-of-touch) “Abundance” agenda to win me over. Honestly, it just kind of sounds like a recommitment to neoliberalism, as if the neoliberal paradigm that’s been in place for the last fifty years hasn’t been neoliberal enough, and that despite the many failures of neoliberalism, we need to double down on it. I mean, if they want me to stop worrying and learn to love neoliberalism, they must, at a minimum acknowledge the ways in which neoliberalism has failed, and the ways in which the neoliberal technocrats have failed. I want to know that they understand that they’ve gotten some really important stuff wrong, that they’re contrite, and that they’ve learned from their mistakes and that they are wiser now.
I think people like Klein think we should all just do what they tell us because they’re the smartest kids in the room, but they’ve inherited a lot of mistrust. I just don’t trust the neoliberal technocrats anymore, and I haven’t for a while. If they don’t understand why that is, well, that’s the problem.
The problem is they don’t care what we think. They think they can just bully us into voting for the lesser of two evils indefinitely as if the Republicans are not going to fix elections. The Democratic Leadership and power Brokers are hopeless.
Without new leadership we are fucked and 2028 might be our last chance before the fix is in tight. And it will have to be a popular aggressive campaign to overcome the fixes they are going to put in already.
Yeah…It doesn’t even make sense. “Cutting red tape” doesn’t equal “abundance.” The very idea that there would be abundance if not for “red tape” - i.e. regulations - is a fundamental conservative myth, so the survey is nonsense.
Democratic research on messaging has never gone wrong before.
In speech populist phrasing gets people going. Saying, “need to cut down the bureaucracy and red tape” sounds like run of the mill two faced politician talk. Abundance is pretty much trying to use the same language democrats speak with to just a smaller subset that has widespread appeal but it’s still real mediocre. Not exciting stuff. Anyone just watch that Richie Torres interview about Israel and Palestine. Pretty much try to not make a single position change, just try to find ways to be the same and snake tongue your way to higher approval. The whole abundance thing is just more of the, “they go low, we go high” of the past decades
The ‘abundance’ thing sort of operates on the premise that more wealth will make us all wealthy. This is the wealthiest country on earth, but we are not the highest in standard of living. It is just a rehash of supply-side economics. Just get rid of zoning laws and the wealthy will shower us with houses.
All the wealthy need, in order to be better stewards of society, is more money. We know it hasn’t happened yet…but it will, we promise. They just need a little more, before it all kicks in for the rest of us. Your time will come. Just be patient, and give generously.
