We live in a society and you can’t have it all your way.
Social norms are necessary when people come together.
Someones interest in not wearing pants needs to be weighted against other peoples interest not wanting to see their hairy balls halfway falling out of their slip. Imagine if that coworker whose “jokes” are just short of sexual harassment now gets to run around naked and rub his balls on your desk and you are not allowed to tell him to fuck off, because that would violate his “no-pants”-rights.
Hairy balls, hairy arms, it’s the same skin. Rubbing the balls is offensive as a cultural construct. No-pants rights don’t grant the right to be offensive. People are allowed to open their mouth but licking the desk is still unacceptable. Touching somebody who doesn’t want to be touched is offensive, even while wearing gloves or using a stick.
However people not wearing pants would make society reevaluate the social constructs about nakedness. People are trained to be ashamed about parts of themselves. It’s like being colored in a racist society, but for everybody.
The only thing that needs to be weighted is when someone’s actions directly affect others around them, not against the whims of others who need to learn how to cope with people existing differently than they would. Not wearing pants does nothing to no one. Your desire to not see nudity is your problem and your problem alone, and it is not a valid excuse to dictate the actions of others when those actions are harmless.
Some social “norms” are ass-backwards, based in toxic, archaic ideology only meant to oppress, and need to be dismantled to improve and create a free-er society.
That’s a nice hyperbolic hypothetical that exaggerates the issue, making it seem more than it actually is. No one is saying people should be able to go around “rubbing their balls all over” your personal property. That’s still harassment. Inappropriate and sexual “jokes” directed at another individual is still harassment. You would be completely within your right to tell them to quit fucking with you, because they are directly affecting you by doing so.
Being able to just exist while not wearing pants because it is how someone would be most comfortable, regardless of how others around them feel about nudity themselves, is not harassment, and they should be well within their right to do so, others around them need to learn to cope.
You are right that in your space you are free to be pantsless and as such I wouldn’t impose my presence and sensibilities upon you. In fact I would defend your right to be pantsless in your space. However if you decided to come to my space, I would insist on pants - failure to comply would be you imposing your wants on me without consent, putting your wants above mine. If you think that I should be okay with you being pantsless, why? Who are you to tell me how to live my life? Why aren’t you accepting people living differently from you? Me not wanting pantslessness in my presence only impacts you if you force yourself into it.
Extrapolate a bit why don’t you? If a group of people create a space with certain rules, it is a “public” space for people who agree to follow the rules.
… I mean this isn’t really a conversation about pants but I truly don’t care about nudity. I’m from a culture that isn’t anywhere near as neurotic about it as certain others. I still prefer some kind of covering on the privates though simply because I don’t want ball sweat, urine traces, fecal matter or vaginal discharge on my things.
Can someone decode what the hell this person is even trying to say.
We live in a society and you can’t have it all your way.
Social norms are necessary when people come together.
Someones interest in not wearing pants needs to be weighted against other peoples interest not wanting to see their hairy balls halfway falling out of their slip. Imagine if that coworker whose “jokes” are just short of sexual harassment now gets to run around naked and rub his balls on your desk and you are not allowed to tell him to fuck off, because that would violate his “no-pants”-rights.
Hairy balls, hairy arms, it’s the same skin. Rubbing the balls is offensive as a cultural construct. No-pants rights don’t grant the right to be offensive. People are allowed to open their mouth but licking the desk is still unacceptable. Touching somebody who doesn’t want to be touched is offensive, even while wearing gloves or using a stick.
However people not wearing pants would make society reevaluate the social constructs about nakedness. People are trained to be ashamed about parts of themselves. It’s like being colored in a racist society, but for everybody.
Yea fuck that authoritarian mentality.
The only thing that needs to be weighted is when someone’s actions directly affect others around them, not against the whims of others who need to learn how to cope with people existing differently than they would. Not wearing pants does nothing to no one. Your desire to not see nudity is your problem and your problem alone, and it is not a valid excuse to dictate the actions of others when those actions are harmless.
Some social “norms” are ass-backwards, based in toxic, archaic ideology only meant to oppress, and need to be dismantled to improve and create a free-er society.
That’s a nice hyperbolic hypothetical that exaggerates the issue, making it seem more than it actually is. No one is saying people should be able to go around “rubbing their balls all over” your personal property. That’s still harassment. Inappropriate and sexual “jokes” directed at another individual is still harassment. You would be completely within your right to tell them to quit fucking with you, because they are directly affecting you by doing so.
Being able to just exist while not wearing pants because it is how someone would be most comfortable, regardless of how others around them feel about nudity themselves, is not harassment, and they should be well within their right to do so, others around them need to learn to cope.
You are right that in your space you are free to be pantsless and as such I wouldn’t impose my presence and sensibilities upon you. In fact I would defend your right to be pantsless in your space. However if you decided to come to my space, I would insist on pants - failure to comply would be you imposing your wants on me without consent, putting your wants above mine. If you think that I should be okay with you being pantsless, why? Who are you to tell me how to live my life? Why aren’t you accepting people living differently from you? Me not wanting pantslessness in my presence only impacts you if you force yourself into it.
What about pants in public? Are they required?
Extrapolate a bit why don’t you? If a group of people create a space with certain rules, it is a “public” space for people who agree to follow the rules.
I am curious to know if you think that there is more to the requirement to wear pants than historic reasons.
… I mean this isn’t really a conversation about pants but I truly don’t care about nudity. I’m from a culture that isn’t anywhere near as neurotic about it as certain others. I still prefer some kind of covering on the privates though simply because I don’t want ball sweat, urine traces, fecal matter or vaginal discharge on my things.
What about non-hairy balls 👀
“Be a good sheep and fall in line, stop daring to live in a free-er world, accept your place as a peasant and be content with what you have.”