China has massively increased laws specifically to prevent it. Premises require explicit and direct permission from an individual in order to use facial recognition, facing steam criminal fines for non compliance. This came into effect on June 1st of this year.
I don’t know why you think the laws magically don’t also apply to the government itself. If your take is going to always be “yeah but the evil communists aren’t going to be applying that to their own government” then there is literally never going to be any convincing you of anything being better in China, ever, because your baseline is always going to be disbelief.
but as far as I know from others there’s more surveillance in China than the UK.
The fuck are you on about mate? The UK is the surveillance capital of the world. China is absolutely fucking better than us in this regard. They have consistently tightened privacy laws of late, beginning with PIPL in 2021 which is as strong if not stronger than the EU’s GDPR law because it does not provide a “legitimate interest” processing scope and they have been increasing privacy with the new tighter laws this year.
They are absolutely better than the US and UK in this regard, and because the EU is bureaucratically slow China is now pulling ahead in privacy laws. Some of the new EU laws currently under consideration are looking towards China’s implementation because they are becoming first to implement and thus leading other countries on implementation.
The point here is whether western digital privacy is superior to Chinese digital privacy. What you have not caught up on is the fact that Chinese digital privacy has significantly surpassed the west and you are too much of a racist west-supremacist to take on new information that contradicts your supremacist ideology. You spent so much time on reddit internalising the concept that dem sneaky chinese are lies and cheats that your brain just completely shuts down at the very idea that they might be doing it better than the superior white west that deserves supremacy. This is the ideology guiding your thought process.
The only thought you have in your head is “china = mass surveillance” and “west = superior”. You have nothing going for you beyond that, it’s entirely vibes based which is what makes it so obvious it’s a thought created by propaganda. On the otherhand I could talk quite precisely about the information we have on five eyes, nsa and gchq mass surveillance. The UK’s use of face recognition. Palantir. Snowden. And so on. China? No evidence. All you’ve got is “they censor the internet” which, funnily enough, the UK that I’m cursed to be stuck in is doing significantly fucking more.
This provides evidence for a hypothesis I had a few months(years?) back. That as conditions in the west worsen, people in the west will just insist that the “bad guy countries” are worse, regardless of evidence or material reality. It really does look like as the survalliance state increases and worker’s and minority rights collapse in the west, westerners will still be insisting it is “fine” because evil China is even worse. “We may be forced by our capitalist overlords to work 24 hours a day, but those damn evil chinese commies force their people to work 25 hours a day!”
Mate if you’re explicitly denying material reality because it causes too much cognitive dissonance to reckon with the fact that China has clearly surpassed the west in this area I am going to analyse why that might be.
White supremacists get cognitive dissonance about facts to do with racial hierarchies. Cis-hetero male supremacists (patriarchy) get cognitive dissonance about facts to do with gender hierarchies.
You are another kind of supremacist. A western-supremacist. And you are experiencing cognitive dissonance dealing with the fact that the west is not superior to China in this area anymore. The west has declined, China has ascended and continues to improve.
You haven’t actually made any argument with your response here. All you’ve said is “NOOOOOOO YOU’RE WRONG SLUR. IT’S ABOUT NUANCEEEEEEEE” with absolutely zero justification or explanation of what this magical nuance is. You haven’t given any explanation because you don’t have one, you have vibes, that’s it, that’s all. And the fact that the information I’m giving you clashes with your vibes-based feelings about this topic causes you emotional distress resulting in cognitive dissonance. This causes you to sling slurs, because it’s all you have. A reactionary outburst perfectly in line with all the other reactionaries.
Do I give a shit whether you can speak some Chinese? Absolutely fucking not when you don’t know any of the laws we’re talking about.
China has massively increased laws specifically to prevent it. Premises require explicit and direct permission from an individual in order to use facial recognition, facing steam criminal fines for non compliance. This came into effect on June 1st of this year.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3303463/china-lays-down-law-facial-recognition-first-focus-privacy-security
The UK (i live here) is a mass surveillance hellscape.
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Bypassing paywalls needs to be a basic skill you know how to do in the year of our internet 2025.
https://archive.is/ZnIU6
I don’t know why you think the laws magically don’t also apply to the government itself. If your take is going to always be “yeah but the evil communists aren’t going to be applying that to their own government” then there is literally never going to be any convincing you of anything being better in China, ever, because your baseline is always going to be disbelief.
The fuck are you on about mate? The UK is the surveillance capital of the world. China is absolutely fucking better than us in this regard. They have consistently tightened privacy laws of late, beginning with PIPL in 2021 which is as strong if not stronger than the EU’s GDPR law because it does not provide a “legitimate interest” processing scope and they have been increasing privacy with the new tighter laws this year.
They are absolutely better than the US and UK in this regard, and because the EU is bureaucratically slow China is now pulling ahead in privacy laws. Some of the new EU laws currently under consideration are looking towards China’s implementation because they are becoming first to implement and thus leading other countries on implementation.
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Is the mass surveillance in the room with us right now?
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Mate you are not being coherent.
The point here is whether western digital privacy is superior to Chinese digital privacy. What you have not caught up on is the fact that Chinese digital privacy has significantly surpassed the west and you are too much of a racist west-supremacist to take on new information that contradicts your supremacist ideology. You spent so much time on reddit internalising the concept that dem sneaky chinese are lies and cheats that your brain just completely shuts down at the very idea that they might be doing it better than the superior white west that deserves supremacy. This is the ideology guiding your thought process.
The only thought you have in your head is “china = mass surveillance” and “west = superior”. You have nothing going for you beyond that, it’s entirely vibes based which is what makes it so obvious it’s a thought created by propaganda. On the otherhand I could talk quite precisely about the information we have on five eyes, nsa and gchq mass surveillance. The UK’s use of face recognition. Palantir. Snowden. And so on. China? No evidence. All you’ve got is “they censor the internet” which, funnily enough, the UK that I’m cursed to be stuck in is doing significantly fucking more.
This provides evidence for a hypothesis I had a few months(years?) back. That as conditions in the west worsen, people in the west will just insist that the “bad guy countries” are worse, regardless of evidence or material reality. It really does look like as the survalliance state increases and worker’s and minority rights collapse in the west, westerners will still be insisting it is “fine” because evil China is even worse. “We may be forced by our capitalist overlords to work 24 hours a day, but those damn evil chinese commies force their people to work 25 hours a day!”
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Mate if you’re explicitly denying material reality because it causes too much cognitive dissonance to reckon with the fact that China has clearly surpassed the west in this area I am going to analyse why that might be.
White supremacists get cognitive dissonance about facts to do with racial hierarchies. Cis-hetero male supremacists (patriarchy) get cognitive dissonance about facts to do with gender hierarchies.
You are another kind of supremacist. A western-supremacist. And you are experiencing cognitive dissonance dealing with the fact that the west is not superior to China in this area anymore. The west has declined, China has ascended and continues to improve.
You haven’t actually made any argument with your response here. All you’ve said is “NOOOOOOO YOU’RE WRONG SLUR. IT’S ABOUT NUANCEEEEEEEE” with absolutely zero justification or explanation of what this magical nuance is. You haven’t given any explanation because you don’t have one, you have vibes, that’s it, that’s all. And the fact that the information I’m giving you clashes with your vibes-based feelings about this topic causes you emotional distress resulting in cognitive dissonance. This causes you to sling slurs, because it’s all you have. A reactionary outburst perfectly in line with all the other reactionaries.
Do I give a shit whether you can speak some Chinese? Absolutely fucking not when you don’t know any of the laws we’re talking about.