1: The one who came up with these idea that America needs to model itself after other countries is you. I don’t care about America. I want America to stop pressuring other governments to model themselves after them. I want American foreign policy to stop intervening with other countries and in particular the country where I live.
2: It is rich that you are saying with a straight face that our citizens are falling to propaganda when your citizens have voted for two terms for a huckster, sex offender mentally challenged, child molester.
3: There is a latent right wing coalition in my country that is home grown, yes we had years of political tumult. We have fascists down here and everyone does! We don’t have a secret to subdue them we have a fragile emerging resistance that has won a couple of elections: We just had presidential elections a few years back; and the very unpopular right wing candidate suffered a devastating loss despite all the very suspicious financial and media support they had. Which means that the population hasn’t entirely “succumbed to propaganda.” For our next elections, the republicans are already grooming a couple of candidates for our country. One of them is a Catholic conservative that has been spotted with Elon Musk and the rest of ghouls more than a couple of times.
Here is one of the weasels Eduardo Verastegui doing the Nazi salute on the American Financed CPAC:
4: My country has very little contact with Russia. The ultra right wing coalition of my country does not meet with Putin, They meet with Conservatives from the USA. Maybe you are trying to impose your own biases on me. Personally I am frustrated that my government cannot do something about this bastards coming here. At least not for now, while they have all the might of American military power and economy backing them.
5: Lastly. I think America is hopeless. Your arguments are a good case study for why I feel you people are hopeless. Even in your failures and aggression there is a deep seated narcissism where It’s our turn to “show you the way”; We don’t have to show you shit. We don’t owe you anything. You have allowed the plutocracy poisoning your country to fester and I believe it is a problem that runs deeper than just Trump. You will keep shifting the blame, acting all high and mighty and fail to address the fact that you don’t even have a democracy anymore. And in the spirit of American exceptionalism even as those systemic issues are reaching critical mass you will continue to try and shift the blame. Nobody improves by neglecting self reflection. If Putin is pulling the strings of your right wing grifters, he has been enabled by the mounting of corruption that eliminated any legal checks and balances for your billionaire and political class. America has lost the ability to enforce it’s laws on it’s Oligarchy and you are surprised that an international web of criminals are eager to make connections with that dangerous emerging power?
In the end this feels like a conversation about wounded national Ego. “Hey man don’t talk about my shortcomings, you all have it much worse.”
Who are you arguing against? Who said “We’re just so much better than America”? Seems like a straw man. People say what they don’t want the USA to export fascism to their country and some Americans hear “We’re better than America” because some Americans react weirdly to criticism of their country.
Fascism is a danger everywhere. The USA is spreading it everywhere. A lot of people understandably don’t like this.
sounds like a red herring to me. I’m not arguing against a person, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of non-Americans on lemmy that say “Americans bad! Europe is better!” Americans aren’t the problem, our government is. And even if it was Americans, wouldn’t the rest of the world that claims to be better than America not have problems with fascism spreading if they were as good as they claim?
that said, the US is simply a tool being used by Putin through Trump to spread influence everywhere.
but if you’re so much better than America why are:
your cognitive dissonance is showing. also, fascism isn’t an American export. it’s a Russian export.
show us Americans how to protest and stop a fascist takeover! don’t be weak like us Americans.
Lets dismantle this part by part:
1: The one who came up with these idea that America needs to model itself after other countries is you. I don’t care about America. I want America to stop pressuring other governments to model themselves after them. I want American foreign policy to stop intervening with other countries and in particular the country where I live.
2: It is rich that you are saying with a straight face that our citizens are falling to propaganda when your citizens have voted for two terms for a huckster, sex offender mentally challenged, child molester.
3: There is a latent right wing coalition in my country that is home grown, yes we had years of political tumult. We have fascists down here and everyone does! We don’t have a secret to subdue them we have a fragile emerging resistance that has won a couple of elections: We just had presidential elections a few years back; and the very unpopular right wing candidate suffered a devastating loss despite all the very suspicious financial and media support they had. Which means that the population hasn’t entirely “succumbed to propaganda.” For our next elections, the republicans are already grooming a couple of candidates for our country. One of them is a Catholic conservative that has been spotted with Elon Musk and the rest of ghouls more than a couple of times.
Here is one of the weasels Eduardo Verastegui doing the Nazi salute on the American Financed CPAC:
4: My country has very little contact with Russia. The ultra right wing coalition of my country does not meet with Putin, They meet with Conservatives from the USA. Maybe you are trying to impose your own biases on me. Personally I am frustrated that my government cannot do something about this bastards coming here. At least not for now, while they have all the might of American military power and economy backing them.
5: Lastly. I think America is hopeless. Your arguments are a good case study for why I feel you people are hopeless. Even in your failures and aggression there is a deep seated narcissism where It’s our turn to “show you the way”; We don’t have to show you shit. We don’t owe you anything. You have allowed the plutocracy poisoning your country to fester and I believe it is a problem that runs deeper than just Trump. You will keep shifting the blame, acting all high and mighty and fail to address the fact that you don’t even have a democracy anymore. And in the spirit of American exceptionalism even as those systemic issues are reaching critical mass you will continue to try and shift the blame. Nobody improves by neglecting self reflection. If Putin is pulling the strings of your right wing grifters, he has been enabled by the mounting of corruption that eliminated any legal checks and balances for your billionaire and political class. America has lost the ability to enforce it’s laws on it’s Oligarchy and you are surprised that an international web of criminals are eager to make connections with that dangerous emerging power?
In the end this feels like a conversation about wounded national Ego. “Hey man don’t talk about my shortcomings, you all have it much worse.”
I can’t believe I fell for the worst honeypot, a .ml user.
my mistake, carry on with your propaganda shilling.
Lmao you think you wasted YOUR time? What about the dude who wrote an entire paragraph just to be met with your smug antitank bullcrap?
Just another instance of the recurring American cope of “everything that disagrees with me is ruzzia”
edit: btw isn’t gringo a slur?
edit 2: aww, you removed it before the mods removed it! not fair!
I guess you can teach old lemm.ee new .ml tricks?
Russia is an american export. Remember the 90ies when you guys coup’ed them and then they starved for 10 years
And to answer your question, decades of propaganda
Who are you arguing against? Who said “We’re just so much better than America”? Seems like a straw man. People say what they don’t want the USA to export fascism to their country and some Americans hear “We’re better than America” because some Americans react weirdly to criticism of their country.
Fascism is a danger everywhere. The USA is spreading it everywhere. A lot of people understandably don’t like this.
sounds like a red herring to me. I’m not arguing against a person, I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of non-Americans on lemmy that say “Americans bad! Europe is better!” Americans aren’t the problem, our government is. And even if it was Americans, wouldn’t the rest of the world that claims to be better than America not have problems with fascism spreading if they were as good as they claim?
that said, the US is simply a tool being used by Putin through Trump to spread influence everywhere.
America empowered Putin. You guys were really happy when McDonald started popping up everywhere while Russians were starving
America is Europe, idiot. It’s not like Americans had any say on how their country is run. Some old white German have been in charge forever
Pretty sure fascism should be considered Italian given that whole mussolini guy.
and it’s literally the source of the word as a political movement, lol.
Yuuuuuuuup.