I mean it is essentially murdering people partying on people’s graves - not proportional but I can’t imagine people didnt know it was a provocation.
Its tragic but I think unless people start calling the Israeli government’s decades of murders and evictions “terrorism” it seems like the press is very much deciding how people should see “Hamas as the sole villain” and I think there’s a certain amount of justified pushback here thats being misinterpreted as “support for Hamas”
Provoking something by living your life doesn’t mean you’re bad. It just means you’re taking a risk that the dust has settled.
The people that died in the attack aren’t any worse than anyone here, they were put in this position by the israeli government and its policies. Israel has more bodies than Hamas in this fight. There are two villains here and its unfortunate the press only describes one as terrorists.
Hamas being equated with the entirety of the Palestinian people and diaspora is what pisses me off the most. Israel tries to equate them all together so it can commit genocide without any eye-batting.
Your logic is so flawed that you’re either intentionally arguing in bad faith or extremely ignorant of the subject. Targeting a civilian population intentionally IS absolutely a war crime.
“Some examples of prohibited acts include: murder; mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; taking of hostages; intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population; intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historical monuments or hospitals; pillaging; rape, sexual slavery, forced pregnancy or any other form of sexual violence; conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities.”
Can you name a single participant in a single (active) war that did not kill civilians? Saying all war is a war crime, kind of makes war crimes pointless.
And then even if we accept im wrong on that point (which honestly, im willing to do) my other points still stand.
If we put the perpetuators in charge of defining, what constitutes as a crime and what doesn’t, there would be no crime anywhere and never.
If a nations military or other organized fighters are conducting operations the terms and rules for war crimes should apply and the perpetuators and organizers should be held responsible. That goes for Hamas fighters and leaders as well as IDF soldiers and leaders.
Yes, thats probably how it should be, but thats not how it actually is. Hence why the US doesnt sign conventions on war crimes either. and why we dont talk about terrorist groups like Al Queda as being war criminals.
Dude, supporting war crimes isn’t a good idea ever. Super fucked really, event as a flippant comment it’s a really bad look.
I mean it is essentially murdering people partying on people’s graves - not proportional but I can’t imagine people didnt know it was a provocation.
Its tragic but I think unless people start calling the Israeli government’s decades of murders and evictions “terrorism” it seems like the press is very much deciding how people should see “Hamas as the sole villain” and I think there’s a certain amount of justified pushback here thats being misinterpreted as “support for Hamas”
IMO from this outlook the entire planet is covered in graves and we all are bad for living our life.
Provoking something by living your life doesn’t mean you’re bad. It just means you’re taking a risk that the dust has settled.
The people that died in the attack aren’t any worse than anyone here, they were put in this position by the israeli government and its policies. Israel has more bodies than Hamas in this fight. There are two villains here and its unfortunate the press only describes one as terrorists.
I’m unaware of the exact history b/w both the groups to give any sound judgement so I will refrain from doing it.
Hamas being equated with the entirety of the Palestinian people and diaspora is what pisses me off the most. Israel tries to equate them all together so it can commit genocide without any eye-batting.
Can you lot stop throwing out the word war crime to try and make things sound worse and get an emotional response.
Killing civilians is not actually a war crime by itself.
Israel does not recognise Palestine as a country or Hamas as a government, so they cannot be legally at war therefore it can’t be a war crime.
Also as far as I’m aware Palestine is not a signatory to any convention on war crimes anyway.
Your logic is so flawed that you’re either intentionally arguing in bad faith or extremely ignorant of the subject. Targeting a civilian population intentionally IS absolutely a war crime.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml#:~:text=Some examples of prohibited acts,charitable purposes%2C historical monuments or
“Some examples of prohibited acts include: murder; mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; taking of hostages; intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population; intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historical monuments or hospitals; pillaging; rape, sexual slavery, forced pregnancy or any other form of sexual violence; conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities.”
Can you name a single participant in a single (active) war that did not kill civilians? Saying all war is a war crime, kind of makes war crimes pointless.
And then even if we accept im wrong on that point (which honestly, im willing to do) my other points still stand.
If we put the perpetuators in charge of defining, what constitutes as a crime and what doesn’t, there would be no crime anywhere and never.
If a nations military or other organized fighters are conducting operations the terms and rules for war crimes should apply and the perpetuators and organizers should be held responsible. That goes for Hamas fighters and leaders as well as IDF soldiers and leaders.
Yes, thats probably how it should be, but thats not how it actually is. Hence why the US doesnt sign conventions on war crimes either. and why we dont talk about terrorist groups like Al Queda as being war criminals.
State sponsor of terrorism victimized by terrorist attack.
Yes it’s horrible, but partying on stolen land is reckless.