💪 Another region liberated from the Empire’s Nazi regime!

  • Thebigguy@lemmy.ml
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    1 hour ago

    I don’t understand all the cheerleading for this war from both sides. It was caused by bad politics on both sides, and I don’t feel particularly happy when I read about thousands of people loosing their lives.

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    14 hours ago

    “Liberated”? Hilarious. That’s like saying I “liberated” your wallet, when I took it from your pocket.

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      14 hours ago

      So, how should we call it when people are “not liberated” from the regime that doesn’t let people escape the country and that kidnaps people off the streets and sends them to die in the meatgrinder?

      I always thought that the word for that is liberated, but I’d gladly learn a better one :)

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        10 hours ago

        It’s Russia’s fault that anybody is dying. You blame Russia. If Russia leaves then there’s no meat grinder. Simple as.

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          3 hours ago

          Well, why would I blame Russia for Zelensky’s actions?

          It’s his regime that turned country into a prison that doesn’t let people out and kidnaps them off the street to send them to die.

          Russia is liberating people from that. I just hope that they will be able to liberate the whole Ukraine instead of just 4 regions (even if it’s probably unrealistic and not their goal…).

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        13 hours ago

        No one was preventing anyone from leaving the country…they just don’t get to take the land with them. That’s not how it works. The word for that is “stealing”.

        • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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          13 hours ago

          You probably misunderstood what I meant :)

          By not allowing people to escape I meant this: https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411

          By kidnapping people off the streets I meant this (and well, hundreds of other sources): https://uadraftmuseum.ch/

          So let me ask you once again, when someone frees people from that, what is a more appropriate word than liberation? :)

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            12 hours ago

            Conscription has always violated human rights but there are certainly better words like “conquer”. And let’s not pretend Russia isn’t also conscripting men (though certainly not those in their 50s).

            • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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              Conscription has always violated human rights

              Well, that’s true, at least we can agree on that :)

              What happens in Ukraine isn’t even “conscription” tho, it’s literally just masked men hunting other men on the streets and kidnapping them into vans (grab first ask questions later). Just look up “busification” (word of the year 2024 according to some Ukrainian dictionary organization btw) if you want to see more.

              there are certainly better words like “conquer”

              Why would you think that “conquer” is more appropriate than “liberation” in this context? When hostages are freed, and can now do whatever they want (instead of just being hostages), do you say they were conquered or maybe liberated? Same situation here.

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            11 hours ago

            That’s already after the initial crime has been committed…and is a direct result of it.

            It also intentionally mischaracterized what that article is talking about. Russia isn’t “liberating” the people in those regions. They are stealing that land, and calling it “liberation”.

            • Bobr@lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org
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              Russia isn’t “liberating” the people in those regions. They are stealing that land, and calling it “liberation”.

              But it is. And I literally just told you why - the people on the liberated territories gain more freedoms (or liberties, as in liberated ;) ), freedom of movement, freedom of leaving the country, freedom of not being kidnapped off the street, freedom to vote for political parties parties, freedom to speak whatever language they want, etc. etc. etc.

              This is literally the dictionary definition of word " liberation" :)

              Also, they are not stealing land, what are you talking about? The land / real estate in the liberated territories still belongs to the people that live there, nothing changed (well, except those people having rights and liberties insyead of being Zelensky’s cannon fodder).