Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has stated that NATO has no business in Ukraine, as it is not a member of the Alliance, and that his task is to ensure that it remains that way.
I don’t think there’s any need to evict it to pressure it to vote the right way.
So Hungary blocking things is a collective performance.
Or maybe not, then the leverage they gain from veto is more than the pressure put at them. In such case that leverage is apparently damn big and they are a small country.
This just hands over an EU country to the Russian and Chinese influences, which is why Hungary is where it’s at in the first place.
This is the kind of thing that needs covert counter-ops: undermine and question orban at every online forum, constantly make Putin look bad, push against every single government policy, etc.
So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
You mean western nations’ government policies are all perfect and people pushing against them are Russian shills? And making their politicians look bad?
Maybe those governments and politicians are Russia-infiltrated, and these complaints are resistance.
You say “maybe” like it’s some unknowable quantity, but we can see what is going on in Hungary and that it’s getting increasingly authoritarian, and we can see Russian attempts to influence western democracies through bot farms and the like. It’s not unknowable; the evidence is there.
Orbán does just enough for farmers to keep them voting for him. Keeping Ukraine out of the EU is part of that - if Ukraine were a member, Hungarian wheat prices would plummet.
Evict Hungary from the EU and NATO
I don’t think there’s any need to evict it to pressure it to vote the right way.
So Hungary blocking things is a collective performance.
Or maybe not, then the leverage they gain from veto is more than the pressure put at them. In such case that leverage is apparently damn big and they are a small country.
This.
This just hands over an EU country to the Russian and Chinese influences, which is why Hungary is where it’s at in the first place.
This is the kind of thing that needs covert counter-ops: undermine and question orban at every online forum, constantly make Putin look bad, push against every single government policy, etc.
So basically what they’re doing to every other western nation.
Lose one, gain multiple.
It isn’t as big an issue as you make it out to be.
Far too late for that. Orban is a Russian shill and should be treated accordingly.
Few years outside of the EU, with closed borders and no new funds may cause Hungarians to proudly follow Romanian way with Orban ending like Caucescu.
You mean western nations’ government policies are all perfect and people pushing against them are Russian shills? And making their politicians look bad?
Maybe those governments and politicians are Russia-infiltrated, and these complaints are resistance.
You say “maybe” like it’s some unknowable quantity, but we can see what is going on in Hungary and that it’s getting increasingly authoritarian, and we can see Russian attempts to influence western democracies through bot farms and the like. It’s not unknowable; the evidence is there.
I think if it comes to that, the Hungarian people will be VERY pissed off.
Honestly they should already be VERY pissed off
Orbán does just enough for farmers to keep them voting for him. Keeping Ukraine out of the EU is part of that - if Ukraine were a member, Hungarian wheat prices would plummet.
It’s so selfish and low…
Should have voted differently then.
Yup
That’s their problem.