Every single one of those elections, the Dems chanting “us or fascism!!”
It’s kinda like the gun safety debate: we can not discuss it within 72 hrs of a mass shooting.
After 72 hrs, nobody wants to talk about it, or we have another one.
When will the Dems actually oppose fascism, instead of saying they want to?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either…
So, just for white, straight people, so we need to keep supporting it?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either Definitely Palestinians. Definitely union workers. Definitely homeless. Definitely queer people. Definitely indigenous people.
Fixed that for you.
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
Sadly, Trump is about to teach us all a lesson in authoritarianism - You, myself, and everyone else on the planet.
How would Harris have been better for Palestinians? She was part of an admin that was assisting their genocide and always maintained that she would continue doing that.
How would Harris have been better for Palestinians?
LMAO Trump has pretty much let Netanyahu off the leash and is going to turn Gaza in to a hotel and resort. If you can’t figure out how this is the worst scenario for the Palestinians then you aren’t intelligent enough to be discussing this matter.
She was part of an admin that was assisting their genocide
Oh I see, our fundamental disagreement is that you don’t think Israel is committing genocide against the palestinians. I think trapping people inside a narrow strip of land, cutting off their supply of food and water, and carpet bombing the place for 2 years is definitely genocide but I guess you know better or whatever
Oh I see, our fundamental disagreement is that you don’t think Israel is committing genocide against the palestinians I am incapable of understanding that Joe Biden was never the President of Israel.
Fixed that for you.
Don’t worry - now that Trump’s going to let Netanyahu do whatever the hell he wants, you’ll soon learn what genocide actually looks like.
By the way, may I interest you in a stay at the luxurious Trump Casino/Resort Gaza when it’s finished?
So do you think it was a genocide before Trump or not? You said “biden isn’t president of israel” which implies that a genocide was going on but Biden wasn’t responsible. But you also said “you dont know what genocide is” implying that it wasnt a genocide at all.
… Did you forget how Trump said we were literally going to clean out Gaza and make it into a resort once he was in the office? You’re being very disingenuous.
And there it is. BlueMAGA only care about what Trump says, not what Democrats do. The complete extermination of every Palestinian isn’t the problem, the problem is whether the domestic rhetoric of American politicians sugar coats it enough to soothe them.
No, he didn’t increase material support, and the only weapon orders he restarted were the entirely symbolic ones that in no way affect the situation on the ground in Gaza (but sure were important for sugar coating the genocide to American liberals.)
The degree to which blueMAGA will go to deny and defend their sides full throated support of genocide is a stake in the heart of ‘pragmatic lesser evilism’
I mean, were Palestinians being genocided in Israel for… most of Biden’s presidency? And didn’t Harris say she fully supported Biden’s policies?
Indigenous people? They are laughing at us right now, because us white people are freaking out about stuff that’s been happening to them since white people showed up here.
Union workers? Come on, it’s not illegal for rail workers to strike in the US, thanks to Biden, who Harris, once again, said, she fully supported his policies.
Good for homeless people, as in creating more homeless people every year? Houselessness was spiking under Biden, and still is…
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
How so, specifically?
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
I’m starting to think you believe the rest of the world is ok with how we treat our citizens, and do the same…
That would be true for the 2000 election as well, but Democrats didn’t fight the SC decision and so we got two expensive wars in the subsequent 8 years that some democrats even supported, demonstrating their fascist sympathies.
Lemmy is full of people who want to actually discuss ways to have a better world, unlike you it seems lmao.
You’re trying to argue the status quo to people who saw what the status quo was since Reagan, but you still don’t get it.
I’m so glad my consistent votes for democrats over my life have definitely not lead me to the precipice of fascism… oh wait.
You’re trying to argue the status quo to people who saw what the status quo was since Reagan, but you still don’t get it.
LMAO that old Democrat “status quo” is dead and never coming back, so by your own logic you should be celebrating and praising the MAGA Lord and Savior, Donald Trump, for killing it.
Lemmy is full of people who want to actually discuss ways to have a better world, unlike you it seems lmao. and I am not one of them. I’m just here to sling insults and be nasty to people.
Fixed that for you. You sure you aren’t MAGA?
I’m so glad my consistent votes for democrats over my life have definitely not lead me to the precipice of fascism… oh wait.
LMAO from the sound of it, fascism is something you want. After all, you seem to believe those Democrats were just the worst leaders ever: Therefore, to you, Trump must be an improvement from the “status quo” you hated so much.
Every single one of those elections, the Dems chanting “us or fascism!!”
It’s kinda like the gun safety debate: we can not discuss it within 72 hrs of a mass shooting.
After 72 hrs, nobody wants to talk about it, or we have another one.
When will the Dems actually oppose fascism, instead of saying they want to?
Additionally, who is that “boring liberal republic” better for? Certainly not Palestinians. Certainly not for union workers on our rail lines. Not for people becoming houseless. Not for queer people. Not for indigenous peeps, either…
So, just for white, straight people, so we need to keep supporting it?
Fixed that for you.
If Kamala Harris had won, literally all the groups you just mentioned would be far better off than under a literal fascist dictatorship which Trump’s lackeys want to establish.
Honestly? I’m starting to believe lemmy is, like reddit, filled with a bunch of clueless college kids who haven’t set foot in other parts of the world and have no idea what it’s like to live under a dictatorship, and thus take the rights and freedoms they have completely for granted.
Sadly, Trump is about to teach us all a lesson in authoritarianism - You, myself, and everyone else on the planet.
How would Harris have been better for Palestinians? She was part of an admin that was assisting their genocide and always maintained that she would continue doing that.
LMAO Trump has pretty much let Netanyahu off the leash and is going to turn Gaza in to a hotel and resort. If you can’t figure out how this is the worst scenario for the Palestinians then you aren’t intelligent enough to be discussing this matter.
No she wasn’t.
You don’t know what genocide is.
Oh I see, our fundamental disagreement is that you don’t think Israel is committing genocide against the palestinians. I think trapping people inside a narrow strip of land, cutting off their supply of food and water, and carpet bombing the place for 2 years is definitely genocide but I guess you know better or whatever
Fixed that for you.
Don’t worry - now that Trump’s going to let Netanyahu do whatever the hell he wants, you’ll soon learn what genocide actually looks like.
By the way, may I interest you in a stay at the luxurious Trump Casino/Resort Gaza when it’s finished?
Wait, do you think its a genocide or not? I’m confused
I’m saying that what Trump is about to let Netanyahu do will teach you what genocide actually looks like.
Of course you are, my dear. Of course you are.
So do you think it was a genocide before Trump or not? You said “biden isn’t president of israel” which implies that a genocide was going on but Biden wasn’t responsible. But you also said “you dont know what genocide is” implying that it wasnt a genocide at all.
Which is it?
… Did you forget how Trump said we were literally going to clean out Gaza and make it into a resort once he was in the office? You’re being very disingenuous.
And there it is. BlueMAGA only care about what Trump says, not what Democrats do. The complete extermination of every Palestinian isn’t the problem, the problem is whether the domestic rhetoric of American politicians sugar coats it enough to soothe them.
Right, because he definitely didn’t also increase material support and restart weapons orders that Biden had cancelled.
No, he didn’t increase material support, and the only weapon orders he restarted were the entirely symbolic ones that in no way affect the situation on the ground in Gaza (but sure were important for sugar coating the genocide to American liberals.)
The degree to which blueMAGA will go to deny and defend their sides full throated support of genocide is a stake in the heart of ‘pragmatic lesser evilism’
Dude can you please stop yelling about “blue maga”? You’re acting like voting Democrat is worse than voting Republican.
No, I’ll stop talking about BlueMAGA when BlueMAGA stops engaging in genocide apologia and denialism.
HOW is that worse than what Biden was doing. Biden spent 15 months cleaning out Gaza
The democrats red line was building a hotel in Gaza. Not genocide.
Biden was the first to float that idea actually.
Did you, though, or just try to lie?
I mean, were Palestinians being genocided in Israel for… most of Biden’s presidency? And didn’t Harris say she fully supported Biden’s policies?
Indigenous people? They are laughing at us right now, because us white people are freaking out about stuff that’s been happening to them since white people showed up here.
Union workers? Come on, it’s not illegal for rail workers to strike in the US, thanks to Biden, who Harris, once again, said, she fully supported his policies.
Good for homeless people, as in creating more homeless people every year? Houselessness was spiking under Biden, and still is…
How so, specifically?
I’m starting to think you believe the rest of the world is ok with how we treat our citizens, and do the same…
Literally no. The fact that you have to ask this question shows me you don’t know what genocide is.
By the way, may I interest you in a vacation package to the Trump Hotel Casino Gaza when it opens? It’s apparently what you voted for, after all.
That would be true for the 2000 election as well, but Democrats didn’t fight the SC decision and so we got two expensive wars in the subsequent 8 years that some democrats even supported, demonstrating their fascist sympathies.
Lemmy is full of people who want to actually discuss ways to have a better world, unlike you it seems lmao.
You’re trying to argue the status quo to people who saw what the status quo was since Reagan, but you still don’t get it.
I’m so glad my consistent votes for democrats over my life have definitely not lead me to the precipice of fascism… oh wait.
LMAO that old Democrat “status quo” is dead and never coming back, so by your own logic you should be celebrating and praising the MAGA Lord and Savior, Donald Trump, for killing it.
Fixed that for you. You sure you aren’t MAGA?
LMAO from the sound of it, fascism is something you want. After all, you seem to believe those Democrats were just the worst leaders ever: Therefore, to you, Trump must be an improvement from the “status quo” you hated so much.