• GaveUp [she/her]@hexbear.net
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        I honestly think this is true from my experience chatting about labour with coders

        Also because they’re grateful to their bosses they get to do their interests as a job. I’d imagine for researchers this is a massive deal

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      I work with a bunch of scientists and they are the most comfy libs I’ve ever seen. I try and organize my coworkers and I get the most passive no I’ve ever heard. “OH I’m sooo glad you’re working too protect my rights, but I just can’t be fucked to care” is essentially the answer I get most of the time.

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      It’s a field that self-selects for insanely driven monomaniacs. All the lab PI’s I ever met worked 70 hours a week because they just loved the research that much. One of my bosses bragged about working 20 hours a day to finish his PhD. It probably wasn’t that much, but he got his degree in 3.5 years, which is crazy fast for the field. Anyone who can’t handle the workload washes out quickly.

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          I get it you have no money contrains but really crazy stories

          They do, but the culture makes people generally not care about long term financial health and taking on debt/spending beyond their means to live in the moment

          Obviously, this is sick af in a country with good security nets but in USA it’s just a way to make people massive irresponsible consumers for the capitalists benefit

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          Academics are relatively poorly paid but people in industry generally make bank. That said, what do you do with it? If you live in the right area you can get some pretty much unused high end bikes for half off because the tech bros buy them and then realize they have no time to ride them.

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      Young scientists are convinced they are headed for bigger and better things and that the work they do is very valuable - either intellectually or personally or both. They do not see themselves as of the same class as janitors, they are just temporarily overworked for the cause and things will get better later when they are in charge or in some senior role. They are “paying their dues”.

      Then 90% of them realize there is no such job waiting for them and they slowly shed their belief system. But it can take decades.

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        thats pretty much it, alot of them thinking finishing a phd, and they get jobs handed to them, they arnt, unless you come from a prestigious university and a wealthy background which opens alot of doors automatically, eg connections. additionally alot of them believe the jobs are in academia, they arnt either because its too comepetitive, and most of them are writing grants anyways as a PI, or doing some low quality paper as a post doc(and not hire dyet). thats why im hearing on other platforms that phds are defecting from thier fields for another

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          Yes and structurally universities “train” far more PhDs than they have professor positions so it is literally impossible for the vast majority of academic track PhDs to get a professor position. The economics drive this: PhD students are just underpaid lab workers, basically. Like the 5 interns hoping to get the one full time position, it’s not an accident, the situation is gamed because the employer gets more labor for less money.

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    Ah yes, the “researchers think best on no sleep, intense stress, and no life” approach.

    Afterall, it’s not like they’re doing real work - like golf meetings and lazy financial crimes - because that would imply their lives have value and they do something their bosses cannot. They’re just mobile tools, and can simply run for longer, so I dunno, set a big bowl of modafinil and protein slurry in the lounge, they like that crap right? I gotta practice my swing.

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    Reducing the amount of time people have for socializing and starting families will definitely fix the demographic collapse!

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    Do they get paid to drink until they pass out at company dinners? Is that included in the hours?