• SulaymanF@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    That’s not how it works. I know multiple Muslim women who wear headscarves and abayas without anyone pressuring them to do so. Blanket banning that is taking away their rights; where does it end? Do we ban all marriages because some women are pressured into one?

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      They don’t can women from wearing them - just children that usually wear whatever their parents want them to wear without having a choice.

      It’s about making a conscious decision while also removing as much religion from schools as possible

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        It doesn’t end in schools, the far right is also banning them from government property and fining women who cover their face in public.

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            Some women do because it’s considered Mustahab, they do it out of a desire to get extra credit from God. Others do it because they want a sense of privacy, as in they only show their face to their family.

            It’s sometimes hard for non-Muslims to grasp but they want to be judged based on their ideas and speech and not by their looks. A lot of western society won’t take women seriously if they don’t put makeup on or dress a certain way, and this is pushing back on that mindset.

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              Women are taught since childhood that if they don’t cover themselves they will go to hell (basically), so when people say “they are not forced, they do it because they want”, its because they are taught if they dont do it, they are going to be punished.

              You wouldn’t send a kid in a bikini and makeup to school, right? So why is the other option not wrong too?

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                Again that’s not true. Go talk to some Muslims before you just repeat false stereotypes.

                And even if that were true that people do things for their religion, why is it your business? Are you going to force us to eat pork, like some French far right extremists are calling for?

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                    Is that what this has been about in your mind? We can’t freely wear what we want because you want to force your politics on others?

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        How many Muslim children have you spoken to? Seriously? You know nothing.

        Kids want to imitate and be seen as adults; which is why Muslim boys want to grow beards even without any prompting and Muslim girls want to wear hijab because it’s also a sign they’ve matured. Sikh boys want to have beards and turbans for the same reason, and conservative Jewish boys want to have facial hair or a payess.

        To these kids, you’re telling them they can’t look like their families in school and have to suppress their religion and culture. You’re singling them out and putting all the burden on them and not putting the same burden on the non-minority children. That’s the wrong way to do it.

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          If an adult wear provocative dresses or adult clothes, you would not let a child dress like that because their parents do.

          All religious items are banned in schools in France, so just because you are minority, don’t give you the right to not follow what others do.

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        You genuinely don’t know that and are making assumptions. Talk to some Muslim families before you assume that’s how everyone is. Kids often proudly like to dress in cultural or ethnic clothing and since it’s start at a certain age they want to as a mark of maturity. It should be about choice and you seem unwilling to accept when people choose to wear things.

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            Again you’re grossly overgeneralizing 2 Billion people as if we’re all alike. It’s still wrong and untrue. It’s like claiming Mexicans beat their wives or something. That’s just not the experience I’ve had after decades of living in Muslim communities. I hope you learn that someday.

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                Again, you’re falsely assuming Islam is monolithic. I’ve read the entire Quran in both English and Arabic, please show me where the Quran says to kill people who become atheist. I’ll wait. It says God won’t accept it but there’s no earthly punishment listed.

                And dude, I converted to Islam, so your condescending attempt at insult doesn’t work.

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                    That’s not what 2:54 says. Also that’s not at all what history shows. The city of Medina was under literal siege from the Meccans camped outside the city’s barriers. Anyone who publicly left Islam went out and joined the opposing army, so at the time they were executed for treason, not changing religions. Learn your history better, ask any history department rather than an anemic English Wikipedia page that lacks more Arabic sources.