I always find it amusing how supposedly pacifist Starfleet ships could take on their counterparts two to four on one and still come out winning on a routine basis, despite Klingons being both an older race and vastly more violent.
Them and Romulans. And borg. And the species that were kicking the borg’s ass.
Oooh, ooh, I get to use my favorite theory on the internet!
So I don’t think it’s a violence vs pacifism fight, but rather the VERY clear fact that the Federation is technologically superior to all the antagonists they’ve had to deal with.
So much so that they willingly disregarded research into certain military technologies via treaties simply because they didn’t need them, and were very certain they’d be on the top of the heap even without them.
And it’d be why, when the Romulans returned, there was an implied ‘Well fuck!’ when they saw what a warbird looked like now, and that it was on par with the best the Federation was fielding.
So back to the technological superiority bit: Q actually says this before tossing the Enterprise to the Borg. Everyone was smug, because they knew they were superior to the Cardassians and Klingons and to some extent, even the Romulans still.
The Borg was a nasty wakeup call that, no, they’re not some pinnacle of engineering might but still on the bottom of the barrel and just deluded because everyone who happened to be neighbors were worse but that was only a fluke of uh, geography.
And for that theory: Q tossed the Enterprise at the Borg because he’s a fan of humans for some reason, and that was an easy way to force a massive military buildup and thus the only way the Federation had even the slightest chance against the Dominion.
The primary strength of the federation wasn’t that it’s technologically advanced- rather that it was relatively technologically adaptable.
It was that adaptable nature that allowed Janeway et all to defeat the borg (and everybody else.)
I subscribe to the theory that the reason Q screwed around with humanity as much as he did was to push them towards being able to defeat the borg- throwing them at the cube let them see what they were up against and begin preparing before the borg were on the federation’s doorstep.
As for humanity in particular, I suspect it’s because the federation is unique in that, as seven of nine said, a collective of many voices in harmony. (More or less.)
It’s a lot of diverse worlds working together, without there being some controlling force (like the borg’s hive mind, or the Dominion’s founders,) keeping everything from flying apart.
This diversity of thought was its real strength, and it was humanity that laid the foundation for it. (Because off course we did.)
I always find it amusing how supposedly pacifist Starfleet ships could take on their counterparts two to four on one and still come out winning on a routine basis, despite Klingons being both an older race and vastly more violent.
Them and Romulans. And borg. And the species that were kicking the borg’s ass.
Oooh, ooh, I get to use my favorite theory on the internet!
So I don’t think it’s a violence vs pacifism fight, but rather the VERY clear fact that the Federation is technologically superior to all the antagonists they’ve had to deal with.
So much so that they willingly disregarded research into certain military technologies via treaties simply because they didn’t need them, and were very certain they’d be on the top of the heap even without them.
And it’d be why, when the Romulans returned, there was an implied ‘Well fuck!’ when they saw what a warbird looked like now, and that it was on par with the best the Federation was fielding.
So back to the technological superiority bit: Q actually says this before tossing the Enterprise to the Borg. Everyone was smug, because they knew they were superior to the Cardassians and Klingons and to some extent, even the Romulans still.
The Borg was a nasty wakeup call that, no, they’re not some pinnacle of engineering might but still on the bottom of the barrel and just deluded because everyone who happened to be neighbors were worse but that was only a fluke of uh, geography.
And for that theory: Q tossed the Enterprise at the Borg because he’s a fan of humans for some reason, and that was an easy way to force a massive military buildup and thus the only way the Federation had even the slightest chance against the Dominion.
The primary strength of the federation wasn’t that it’s technologically advanced- rather that it was relatively technologically adaptable.
It was that adaptable nature that allowed Janeway et all to defeat the borg (and everybody else.)
I subscribe to the theory that the reason Q screwed around with humanity as much as he did was to push them towards being able to defeat the borg- throwing them at the cube let them see what they were up against and begin preparing before the borg were on the federation’s doorstep.
As for humanity in particular, I suspect it’s because the federation is unique in that, as seven of nine said, a collective of many voices in harmony. (More or less.)
It’s a lot of diverse worlds working together, without there being some controlling force (like the borg’s hive mind, or the Dominion’s founders,) keeping everything from flying apart.
This diversity of thought was its real strength, and it was humanity that laid the foundation for it. (Because off course we did.)