The Dastardly Danes and Ursula are at it again.
By their own logic doesn’t exempting themselves mean they want to abuse children?
Ok listen. That is the way governments want you to think in order to get away with erasing your right to privacy. It’s the old “I have nothing to hide” argument.
But here’s the thing. You have a butthole. I have a butthole. Everyone in the planet has a butthole. Having a butthole is nothing to be ashamed of, it is not a crime to have a butthole. No one will prosecute you for having a butthole. But that doesn’t mean it is ok for the government to see everyone’s butthole. That’s your right to privacy.
If you want to protect children, you turn to social scientists to understand the problems and identify the ways in which to catch and prosecute offenders. Weaponizing surveillance on everyone in order to catch a very tiny percentage of population who might be committing a crime is hurting everyone.
Privacy is not about empowering pedos, it is about protecting everyone’s rights. Erode one right and you erode all rights. Once the system is in place, then political surveillance to destroy democracy and install fascism is what follows.
Ironically, the global fascism is currently run by pedophiles.
No. They want to protect themselves from… Their own security forces.
Yeah, checks out. Our little parlamentarians are all big pedos (at least the ones pushing for this shit).
Exactly, protection only applies to the elites. Children had nothing to do with this law, and yet they are being used as a weapon of mass deceiving.
If the government had some dignity, they wouldn’t use age as a weapon against the society - but alas, a oppressive government has to start from somewhere.
I have a question, if I, an american, have an account with tuta mail, and this bs passes and is actually enforced, tuta would not be required to install the state spyware on my device as I’m not an EU citizen nor someone who resides in the EU, correct?
Why not if American companies have to follow American law internationally even if it goes against local law, why doesn’t the other way apply.
Again or still?
still
A more important question is, why they can endlessly propose laws that violate existing laws? They should lose the job, if they proposse two violations of laws or one violation of human rights, imo.
Which human right and laws?
There’s the EU-wide ePrivacy directive, explicitly stating (Art. 5):
Member States shall ensure the confidentiality of communications and the related traffic data by means of a public communications network and publicly available electronic communications services, through national legislation. In particular, they shall prohibit listening, tapping, storage or other kinds of interception or surveillance of communications and the related traffic data by persons other than users, without the consent of the users concerned
There’s also other EU-wide stuff, like:
Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union (Art. 7):
Everyone has the right to respect for his or her private and family life, home and communications.
European Convention on Human Rights (Art. 6):
Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
Then there’s the UN-wide Universal Declaration on Human Rights (Art. 12):
No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence
And as if that wasn’t enough, most member states have confidentiality of communications codified in their constitutions. They are:
Belgium (Art. 29):
The confidentiality of letters is inviolable.
Bulgaria (Art. 34):
The freedom and confidentiality of correspondence and all other communications shall be inviolable.
Croatia (Art. 36)*:
Freedom and privacy of correspondence and all other forms of communication shall be guaranteed and inviolable.
Cyprus (Art 17)*:
Every person has the right to respect for, and to the secrecy of, his correspondence and other communication
Czechia (Art. 13)*:
No one may violate the confidentiality of letters or other papers or records.
Denmark (Art. 72)*:
Any breach of the secrecy that shall be observed in postal, telegraph, and telephone matters, shall not take place
Estonia (Art. 43)*:
Everyone has the right to confidentiality of messages sent or received by him or her by post, telegraph, telephone or other commonly used means
Finland (Sec. 10)*:
The secrecy of correspondence, telephony and other confidential communications is inviolable.
Germany (Art. 10)*:
Secrecy of the mail as well as secrecy of the post and telecommunications shall be inviolable"
Greece (Art. 19)*:
Secrecy of letters and all other forms of free correspondence or communication shall be absolutely inviolable
Hungary (Art. VI):
Everyone shall have the right to have his or her private and family life, home, communications and good reputation respected."
Italy (Art. 15)*:
Freedom and confidentiality of correspondence and of every other form of communication is inviolable.
Latvia (Art. 96):
Everyone has the right to inviolability of his or her private life, home and correspondence."
Lithuania (Art. 22):
Personal correspondence, telephone conversations, telegraph messages, and other communications shall be inviolable."
Malta (Art. 41):
No person shall be hindered in the enjoyment of […] freedom from interference with his correspondence.
Poland (Art. 49):
The freedom and privacy of communication shall be ensured.
Portugal (Art. 34):
Personal homes and the secrecy of correspondence and other means of private communication shall be inviolable.
The Netherlands (Art. 13)*:
The privacy of correspondence shall not be violated, […] The privacy of the telephone and telegraph shall not be violated
Austria, Luxembourg and France are outliers in that I didn’t find anything in their constitutions during my brief little search.
well done!
European Convention on Human Rights Article 8: Right to Respect for Private Life
Everyone has the right to respect for their private and family life, home and correspondence.
UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, Article 16 (English)
“No child shall be subjected to arbitrary or unlawful interference with his or her privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to unlawful attacks on his or her honour and reputation.”
Several EU countries have constitutional prohibitions of mass surveillance of private communication.
Definitely continue the fight, but in the meantime, migrate to something like DeltaChat.
Why not SimpleX?
Federated servers, Multiple device access without the phone app being open, Decades old tried and true backend protocol that would be a problem to ban.
Also https://webxdc.org/
Well I’m not the most technical but on SimpleX you have no user ID’s, routing through TOR and running your own servers among many other features (like the one that adds a radom delay to measages)
You effectively have no user id’s with chatmail relays with DeltaChat. Routing of messages uses the default TCP/IP stack and so you can just use TOR if you want to. Mentioning a chat systems ability to use TOR, as if that should be a part of the chat program rather than the system it self seems strange to me.
I see, I’ll keep this DeltaChat in mind. So far I’ve been really enjoying SimpleX, It’s one of my favorite apps
Why not Matrix?
I’ve run a matrix server with around 250 local users. The schema Matrix uses is fundementally flawed that leads to excessive resource usage, and the DB is very easy to corrupt. Plus, the encryption key management sucks in comparison to DeltaChat and SimpleX.
EU will be where the US is soon if they don’t stop their own corrupt politicians and oligarch overreach
Bold of you to assume they’re not already.
Cute cat photos are always the answer, or your favorite Reggeton music. The best encrypted message is when it not seems as such.
The problem here is that most of the people aren’t aware of this happening 😕
It’s at least beginning to be mentioned in the national media where I live, and people are generally opposed. Unfortunately the current government seems to completely ignore the voice of the people.
then the government must be bypassed in as many ways as possible.
So they don’t represent the people, only their own interests. You should change them out as soon as possible.
This assumes that elections are fair and not manipulated, and that money doesn’t reach all sides, which isn’t a given at this point.
Then we should also fiscally boycot them.
In Sweden basically only have far left and far right that is opposing chat control.
One correction, they don’t want to combat, they want to identify the sources so politicians can use it, because Epstein island is gone and they need new island.
It looks like your talking about CSAM! Please send details for your private event to 123 MPs house address. Should you fail to do so you will be arrested on CSAM charges.
