A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
See, now that they’ve strongarmed everyone into using their new shitty OS and no longer using the old kind of okay one, they can change it however they want and all their users are stuck with it!
(Excuse me while i cackle madly in linux)
Can the AI Shit be disabled?
“Maybe Later”
Well, maybe later I’ll try your shitty OS?
I hate how tech companies just constantly want to change everything.
Just give me something usable that I can get shit done with and fuck off. I don’t want your changes and updates and new feature.
That’s one thing I love about FOSS, that the only stakeholders are the devs and the users. The goal is to make software that’s good at what it does.
When it comes to any tech company’s product, you not only have all the stakeholders that corrupt the end product, but you have giant teams of marketers, designers, engineers, and managers that need to constantly justify their existence and or be efficiently utilized at all times.
Honestly it’s like lesser version of enshittification, the tendency of commercial products to always be changing things.
While this is true, designers are constatnly beholden to management (much like programmers are), so while designers would love to create a nice looking usable application, they end up having to go with the mockups that management requested which are of course a worse experience for the end-user.
It’s really sad.
i feel like a lot of useless bullshit wouldn’t be made if managers and execs didn’t feel the need to validate their useless existence.
Oh I’m well aware, that’s why I threw in the part about needing to be utilized. Because even if the engineers are good with their finished product, some VP will eventually ask their director why the team’s output has dropped or why they have so many people for so little work.
I’m an engineer working on a new product right now. Fortunately we’re a small outfit with niche customers.
In FOSS world, this is only as true for the subset of developers (including both programmers and designers) that are contributing code as their job duties. Additionally that effect is only prominent in projects that are dominated by one organization. Both those things do happen, but there’s also numerous exceptions, too.
Some developers are paid to write unrelated proprietary code and the developer also contributes to open source on their free time. Some projects have so many corporate contributors that none of them can single-handedly direct the development.
Oh, sorry, I wasn’t referencing the FOSS world with my comment. I was responding to the tech company’s part.
My comment was specifically about designers working for companies, with management forcing them to design things in a way that they would rather not.
It’s kind of less about designers having to justify their existence (although, yes, there are far more often entire re-designs that seem like nothing else about this) and more about them being forced to create designs that management want, rather than what end-users want.
That’s what my comment was about.
I mean, then you’re describing bog-standard capitalistic exploitation, and it’s not exclusive to designers.
Sure yeah, my comment originally mentioned designers and developers, but I was too tired to remember that in my follow-up comment.
It’s hard to be extremely detailed and also remember every single detail of what I was mentioning as well.
They have to because the capitalist imperative of infinite, progressive growth forces them to constantly seek out additional speculative avenues for profit. The potential for a valuable product (stock) is more valuable than a good product and is cheaper to produce than a good product.
It is important to note that you are also a product in a surveillance capitalist state thaf commodifies every second of your day. The speculative value on more profitable avenues to source and sell your data has more speculative value than anything your patronage would generate.
Excel 97 was perfect. Now I can barely find the shit I actually need to use because of all the “features” they’ve added to justify their jobs.
Yeah, at least fix the bugs first.
Windows has had a bug that’s driven me mad since before Windows 10 and it doesn’t seem they have any intentention to fix it.
When I try to rename files, I always click somewhere in the text of the name or highlight a specific portion, and then 90% of the time RIGHT before I start typing to add or change the name, it randomly highlights the entire thing so the whole text gets replaced instead of the one section I wanted to change.
INFURIATING and it’s been years that it’s happened, between two different versions of Windows!
There’s also another 2 or 3 other bugs that are just as infuriating but I don’t imagine will ever be fixed or changed because why the fuck would microsoft care.
And it’ll work half good in English but be completely crap in any other language.
The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
Corporate suicide is so fun to watch when you’re not stuck using their products.
Indeed…
My Linux story started 15 years ago. I’m a tech guy (systems admin at the time) and reached the “I work with computers all day, don’t need more of that at home” stage (which was insane to think of a few years before)… tried Linux, loved it and still today my house is a junk yard of old computers having their best second life.
EXACTLY parallel to cutting my cable, my experience ditching MS (which I still have to use about 20% at work) has been one where I felt it was needed but hesitant I would miss out, but in all this time, the more I check MS (or cable TV) the more I realize I am missing NOTHING and my life is better for distancing myself from it
Re: missing out
I’ve got friends who tell me they won’t switch to Linux because they want their anti-cheat games. I usually tell them if they took the time to learn their system they’d understand why they don’t want anto-cheat games.
In the last 20 years, I have not found a single piece of software (games excluded, i pay for art when payment is asked) that I, a regular person on the internet, have not been able to source a free open source alternative that while potentially equipped with a steep learning curve is often as good as if not Better than many corporate solutions once learned.
People can pay for pretty, super convenient UIs and proprietary solutions with support contracts if they want to, thats their perogative. I prefer to learn the software myself and if I hate the UI that much that I’d be willing to pay, its worth either just sitting down and making my own with pyside (its quick and easy, learning curve excluded) or paying a freelance dev to make one bespoke.
110%
When Covid hit, I decided I finally had enough time to invest in a gaming PC. My son and I put one together and, thinking I would miss out on many games, we set it up to dual boot. 3 months later we both realized we wanted nothing that “only ran on Windows” so we recovered the wasted space and it became a Linux only machine (like the rest in my house)
I can also confirm my experience has been the same re any other application or piece of software. My current daily driver is basically against all recommendations for a daily driver: running Garuda Dragonized with a side of Hyprland, even the Garuda folks do not recommend this mix but I fell in love with Hyprland and my son still prefers KDE. I had to learn a lot to configure everything in Hyprland from scratch (first tried it with someone’s config but decided I wanted my own). Took a bit of learning but it was so much fun and in the last 5 months since I implemented this crazy soup, I have had no freezes, no hangs, no apps dying on me, nothing… everything is fast, solid and more importantly, I know and control every aspect of the experience…
Can u run fusion 360? We use this software at work for 3d printer and plasma table. Have not been able to find anything that could run both on linux yet.
Stock market had dropped very much this week so maybe its happening.
Feels like getting to the top of the roller coaster… scary but exciting at the same time
Its bouncing back today but yeah, we will see next week…
I think the worst two things about this are the impact on the environment and the data collection. If you’ve ever used chatgpt, have you ever asked it to divulge what it knows about you? 🫠
Year of Linux once again!
Honestly, we’re getting there. More and more people are asking and trying to learn. But we are a ways off from going to best buy and buying a framework laptop lol.
Microsoft Blog
The new Windows update adds Pat the Mouse, an AI-powered feature that predicts what you want to click on, and automatically does that for you.
The latest Windows update automatically writes the words you will not want to interpret C++ is an interpreted noodle is good.</p>
The latest the Window update removes the toggles for AI features, as we believe the AI is the future. The keyboards and mouse were truly innovative invention, but now belongs to the pasts times.
Noodle is a noodle is a noodle is a beheaded flying chicken with caps written in ALL-CAPS.
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they’ll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there’ll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That’s all it takes.
I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:
A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don’t think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.
B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they’re invested. They’d have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "
Just like we saw with xp/vista/7, then 7/8/10. MS has a track record of good OS, gamble/shitty OS, slightly improved OS.
I thought Windows 10 was the last ever version of Windows?
They got the punctuation all mixed up. Instead of ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version! No more major upgrades!’ it was meant to read ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version? No! More major upgrades!’
Unfortunate mistake
It’ll be taken care of by the new Microsoft CEO: Miguel Sanchez.
It’s the last for me! And many others as well it seems.
Let’s be real, windows 12 will be fully ai integrated
People that have been windows users for years that have been recently taking steps to remove windows from their lives aren’t going back when they remove AI (also, doubt that is ever happening). They’re pissed off, and if they manage to get their stuff working in Linux there’s absolutely no reason to switch back.
Maybe Windows must just lose a massive share of the market to break his enshittification circle.
I can’t wait for that whole AI bubble to blow up. Shame it’s most likely not gonna kill Microsoft…
Too big to fail 😔
I wonder when the big software players running their stuff on Win are going to complain. For me, I’m tied to Autodesk. If they would make their mind up and start a Linux version or support Proton (I don’t see, why the advancement in the gaming world couldn’t in principle be applied to productivity software) I would be away from MS at work instantly.
I don’t think most of them will.
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They will use enterprise editions internally, where their IT team will have much more control over behaviors they don’t like at the group policy level than home users do.
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The executives at the big software conglomerates have the same AI boners that Microsoft does. They’ll be looking for ways to integrate new Windows features and use them as selling points for their own products.
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They don’t care about the privacy nightmare Windows has become because they implement and benefit from the same telemetry and data collection practices with their customers.
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Because linux users are haxors that will be pecking at their sortware DRM and create unofficial 3rd party pluings that make users life easier, but give dev teams a headache.
/s
My career is supporting business Linux users, and to be honest I can see why people might be reluctant to take on the Linux users.
“Hey, we implemented a standard partition scheme that allocates almost all our space to /usr and /var, your installer using ‘/opt’ doesn’t give us room to work with” versus “Hey, your software went into /usr/local, but clearly the Linux filesystem standard is for such software to go into /opt”. Good news is that Linux is flexible and sometimes you can point out “you can bind mount /opt to whatever you want” but then some of them will counter “that sounds like too much of a hack, change it the way we want”. Now this example by itself is mostly simple enough, make this facet configurable. But rinse and repeat for just an insane amount of possible choices. Another group at my company supports Linux, but just as a whole virtual machine provided by the company, the user doesn’t get to pick the distribution or even access bash on the thing, because they hate the concept of trying to support linux users.
Extra challenge, supporting an open source project with the Linux community. “I rewrote your database backend to force all reads to be aligned at 16k boundaries because I made a RAID of 4k disks and think 16k alignment would work really well with my storage setup, but ended up cramming up to 16k of garbage into some results and I’m going to complain about the data corruption and you won’t know about my modification until we screen share and you try to trace and see some seeks that don’t make sense”.
Here’s the thing - the same thing that Microsoft is being roasted for saying they’re going to implement is the thing that Apple are being roasted for not having implemented yet. The difference is -rightly or wrongly- people trust Apple in a way that they simply don’t Microsoft.
Apple zealots trust apple. The rest of us don’t give a rat’s ass what Apple does.
At this point if you don’t want a custom built or Linux PC, I see apple as the corporate gold standard. Windows is a glued together heap of slow trash for a while now. So many bugs, removed features, and lots of other crap. Macos just works, it’s a lot cleaner and more integrated.
Corporations need centralized governance that active directory provides.
Their stance on default privacy and sticking a finger to law enforcement is leagues above both Microsoft and Google/Android. So far at least.
You are correct… yet it is so sad that a modicum of respect for their clients is held up as if Apple self immolated out of principle… the bar is THAT low
and sticking a finger to law enforcement
No. They are just doing it differently - they have proprietary p2p networks and such doing obscure shit. They are similar to Telegram in that. Good to their users as much as they need that to maintain balance of interests.
Is it the Multipeer Connectivity you’re talking about? I’ve never heard of it before. It does seem like something that could be used to track users.
Unfortunately, most Windows users have a long history of complaining about it and then still continuing to use it.
There’s no way around it: if you keep using abusive software, you’ll stay in an abusive relationship.
