Im sure the creeps on 4chan would love all these older musicians if they took the time to read about them, and how they were basically all abusing kids
Still better than anything with autotune.
The vast majority of songs these days use autotune, you just can’t hear it because it’s being used properly to fix when the singer is slightly off key.
The “autotune” sound only happens when the artist is purposefully singing off key.
Almost true. The “autotune effect” only appears if you dial the knobs all the way up when setting up the effect. But you are correct that properly used autotune is pretty much not noticeable.
Using autotune also does not automatically make you a bad singer. T-Pain is very known for the autotune effect he uses on his vocals, but he is an amazing singer even without using it.
His War Pigs cover is amazing.
That’s sick, thanks for sharing!
2008 ass take 😂
Said the kid who doesn’t understand what imaging is.
2008 ass response 😂
Your brain must be wired wrong, you’re repeating yourself.
a sphincter says what?
Usually matter in all three mayor states moving anround getting over an edge. And you can lick a very specific sphincter of my body. Preferably after my first bowel movement.
id rather not thanks. your mother is into it though
Why do you hate autotune? Some artists use it as a sound effect
Because it has no soul. Like a lot of digital electronic music. Hit a drum in a nice space and listen to the sound. Now listen to a high-end recording of that and you’ll be able to make out the sound of the room. Music that has been autotuned is similar to listening to electronic drums. No depth or soul to it because it’s synthetic. Btw: If you’re listening to crappy buds or Bluetooth it won’t matter anyways because the fidelity is already lost.
Im likely the only one who will agree with you, except in my mind there’s nothing wrong with electronic drums when used in the right context. Otherwise, youre right but the pop music lovers are getting offended haha. Very very few artists today have the skill of the 60s and 70s artists recording to tape, that shit is HARD and kids have no clue the talent it took then. Now its all samples and easy as shit to make a song (and why the market is oversaturated and very difficult to find authentic good music that isnt completely quantized). However i will say if you look very hard you find amazing music now but it takes effort.
this is the most boomer-ass fucking take on electronic music i’ve ever heard.
hey, 1989 called and it wants its “electronic music has no soul and lacks the human element^TM” tirade back…
i’ve heard people make music on synths and computers that has more “soul” and more meaning than any “real” musicians, as you might call it. you’re denigrating people’s work not for the quality of the work itself but because you have some weird, backwards stereotype in your head preventing you from even giving it a proper chance.
I never mentioned human element. I’m talking about sound quality strictly. Live is best, then well recorded music that gets you close to live sound. Then electronic music that is flat and lacks sonic details because there aren’t any.
that’s a pretty ignorant take still. electronic music is plenty capable of having “sonic details” nowadays. in fact, because of a lot of the ML advances lately, you can emulate pretty much any sound profile digitally now. this was becoming true even before people had the idea to use ML solutions to do it, too.
virtually all music you listen to that was produced after 1980 has had electronic production done to it. live shows now are actively mixed as the show happens. “well recorded music” is actually more about electronic post-production than picking just the right shangri-la-esc recording locale, now. you associate “flat” and “lacking sonic details” with electronic music for no other reason than ignorance. you’re discounting the work of thousands of engineers and billions of man hours who make those “best” live shows and “well-recorded” music you hold so dear even possible, and it’s incredibly disrespectful at best.
the quality of audio has vastly improved in the modern period largely thanks to electronic music. live and recorded music used to sound like shit, comparatively. take off your rose-colored goggles and see, man.
Now that is funny. Even recording engineers lament the loss of fidelity. Especially after the loudness wars. If you have a good stereo and good treats it’s ready to hear the difference yourself. It’s part of the reason daft Punk used real musicians and why their album was so highly praised for its sound.
I have those fake sound profiles on my stereo and they always sound worse than direct audio.
Youre right, and likely the person arguing doesn’t have a nice listening setup and has only had ear buds. Nothing wrong with that, but they shouldn’t pretend to know quality sound.
Many people today have never even heard a decent stereo setup which is super sad. Thats why they have no idea what theyre missing. I get it though. Not everyone is sound obsessed.
Bruh, what a boring elitist take. I don’t even want to take the bait and engage into long discussion about the topic which seemed outdated 30 years ago. Björk already put it perfectly:
Plus, if you can’t hear pure emotion and see soul in such songs with autotune as yet another instrument, it’s probably your lack of perception, not the artist’s fault:
Enjoying audio quality is elitist now? That’s sad. When I was young every young person wanted a great stereo. 😞
Btw Bjork puts tremendous effort into the audio quality of her music.
Enjoying audio quality is elitist now?
Nah, saying that music with autotune/electronic music has no soul. And claiming with zero evidence that everyone who disagrees with you just has bad sound equipment
I’m not saying electronic music sounds bad. I’m saying it lacks the soul in the audio portion. Like I said in my other example, on a well-recorded audio track, you should be able to tell where each person is standing and hear the shape of the room and the reverberation of sounds mixing into harmonies. When everything is done on a computer that’s literally impossible to do. That being said, there’s tons of great electronic music out there, but I still don’t like auto-tune as it just masks the singers inability to perform themselves.
Do you think that songs are recorded with all of the artists crammed in a room with a couple of mics placed around the room which is then recorded immediately to file? Cause that is not how it (in pretty much most cases) works.
You record the artist separately and than layer the tracks. Hell, most of the time even that isn’t done in a single take. You do multiple takes and splice the best parts together.
And a recording room does not have a characteristic sound shape. They are made to reflect as little sound from the walls as possible so you get the most pure version of the instrument. That’s the whole point. If you want something like reverb you add it either in the signal chain during playing or later in the production. Unless the instrument is recorded in a specific room with specific mics placed about for that rooms specific sound, if you hear any sort of room characteristics that is most likely a mistake.
The only case I can think of where you can hear the things you are talking about is when you are recording a live show/album. But even then you will need post processing for a proper “soundstage”, aka being able to hear the position of the different musicians. A single mic does not record position. You have to pan them left or right after the recording to get them left or right in the soundstage. You can do the exact same thing with electronic music.
And as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, using autotune does not automatically make you a bad singer. If you can hear the autotune, that’s on purpose. If you can’t hear any autotune, there is a good chance that’s it’s still being used. The whole point of autotune is that you don’t hear it when used as intended.
I firmly believe that high-res bluetooth codecs have way more fidelity than my ears have left after years of enjoying music
Possibly but I’m not there yet. Huge difference with good headphones when you plug them in. Bluetooth can’t even handle the bandwidth of high end audio without compressing the crap out of it. For example the HD version of pink Floyd wish you were here is over 700mb per song.
Jokes aside, my ears are not that terrible, but modern compression is pretty damn okay.
I don’t have an anechoic, soundproof listening room, no soundcard I’ve measured myself had more than 80-90 dB SNR in real world scenarios anyway, and I am not going to turn off all electronic appliances in my apartment when I want to listen to music. Plus, most headphones that don’t cost a kidney or two will likely be a weak part anyway, as they are analog, mechanical, imperfect devices with manufacturing spread, wearout, and just general real-world mess.
I had pretty good ears as a kid, and I remember taking an mp3 blind test at a museum back then. Sure, the lower quality levels are easy, but past 128-192 or so kb/s? Maybe if you know what to listen for, and switch back and forth, but out of the blue I personally wouldn’t notice compression in anything higher.
Therefore, I believe that anything past CD quality is voodoo and won’t hold up to a blind test for 99,999% of people, especially if you randomize loudness a bit. The ~100dB dynamic range are more than enough for normal music, and the frequency range is plenty for everyone older than 3. Enough space for decent filters to practically eliminate aliasing as well. The only reason I see for higher resolutions and bit depths is mixing/mastering, if you want to modify things several times and not have audible quality issues.
No offence, but 700 MB a song from an old tape master sounds borderline snake-oily as well. I wouldn’t call tape motor rumble, dust specks or random background EM “soul”, and I kind of doubt you can squeeze that much resolution out of old tapes, but I may be wrong here, tapes were largely before my time.
How dare you.
I strongly suspect, I wouldn’t like whatever „music“ anon listens to either
I feel like they’d say their favorite genre is “anime soundtracks”
To be fair, there ARE great anime soundtracks out there. They get actual bands/musicians to make them. But yes, anon probably has shit taste in music.
Ther’s Yoko Kano, Nujabes, Tsuneo Imahori… people like that…
… and then theres 192 bpm J-Pop song #4838573.
And then of course there’s Jojo, where… basically half or more of the characters just are named after, or a pun on classic rock bands or songs.
Whole wide spectrum out there, but there certainly is a lot of formulaic slop.
The problem with anime soundtracks is they get me excited about the source band, only to find out they don’t have any other music like it.
Had the same problem with the Blade Runner soundtrack.
I definitely agree (RIP Nujabes)
More of a joke about someone calling “anime soundtracks” a genre because they’re musically uncultured. I don’t even like The Doors lol
Probably just a soundtrack of assorted hentai moans.
I can’t believe people are still disparaging gooncore as a genre in 2025 :^(
The mosh pits are too sticky.
My favorite comment of 2025.
That could seriously fuck though, if arranged right.
And if cartoon vaginas are the only ones you’ve seen.
Dude. Audio. I have actually heard music that was all sampled moans. It was really good.
White Zombie did it.
I stand by my statement.
Give it a chance!
Well they’re on 4chan so they probably listen to death grips and neutral milk hotel.
Both winners
It’s either those or skrewdriver and moon man shit.
I dunno. Maybe specific bands, but wiþ few exceptions, don’t most of us like at least a few þings in every genre?
Country Western is my no-go - steel guitars get on my nerves. But even so, þere are several songs I like. I’m not partial to rap or hip hop, but þere’s a lot of it in my library. I just don’t buy albums of eiþer of þose genres. I can’t say þere are many bands I’ll not listen to someþing from. Isn’t þis common? Like, most of us? I figure even þe goþiest goþ girl who ever goþed probably has a couple Hannah Montana songs hidden away.
Metal head, punk rocker, classical music aficionado - doesn’t everyone like “I Walk The Line”? I can’t stand The Grateful Dead as a rule, but “Brown Eyed Woman” is good.
It’s my belief people like music, and everyone has some songs þey like from every genre, even if þey aren’t buying albums of þe stuff. And people’s taste may run to dominant þemes, but þey like far more genres þan þey identify wiþ þrough þeir T-Shirts.
What genre do you truly hate, and can þink of not a single song in it þat you like?
Nice, broken keyboard guy is still here lol
At this point I’m leaning toward it being an LLM
Pretty sure þey þink it makes þem look clever and interesting and unique but it just makes þem look like þrobbing butþead
You’ve just turned ‘butt-head’ into…
… I guess roughly ‘but-thed’.
No no we covered this awhile back - it’s to poison AI bots slurping up content.
Here I though that’s what ML is for.
stay based þ-guy ❤️
Now I want to figure out how to auto macro all my zeroes into ∅, hahah!
I wouldn’t say I hate any genre. That’s far too strong a word. Dislike or apathy, sure.
But I can think of some genres that just aren’t for me at all. K-Pop for example. I dislike most modern pop already (although there are of course exceptions) and it being in a language I don’t understand and from a culture I‘m unfamiliar with just make the genre completely uninteresting to me. I don’t like it but I don’t hate it either. It’s just not for me.
Although, there is a “genre” I would say I do advertised hate: AI generated music. Although that’s not per se because of the sound but the ethics behind it. It’s a principle stance.
Don’t ever shit talk The Doors
I am drunk, I am nobody. I am drunk, I am famous. I am drunk, I am dead.
In the words of the immortal Kids in the Hall,
“Doors fans aren’t made, they are born.”
And of course
“The gypsies had no homes, the Doors had no bass. But don’t let that scare you my friend, let that liberate you!”
Yeah but you gotta do a bong rip as a big Midwestern storm approaches while listening to riders on the storm
This, but on on mushrooms
Johnny Cash did it better with Riders in the Sky
Dunkey did it better with Petters on the Low.
Bryan Cranston did it better with Malcolm in the Middle
Sheyyga Dreamcayyshhht…
CIA funded circus music, lol. It all makes sense now
Still waiting for the CIA to weaponize my books so I can buy a house
Search “CIA jazz” and have fun reading!
One of the better things the CIA had done, NGL.
not really, them proving that human art is fucking bullshit leads to people thinking human art is complete fucking horseshit. Any now we have AI art, which takes just as much effort to make as a Pollock, and looks way better and expresses more than a Pollock, but instead of fucking over Pollock , is fucking over people who actually put in effort into their art.
Abstract modernism isn’t only an us based style. I get you don’t care for it, that’s ok.
But art has been put to political use for ages, and got funding from governments.
The time from the European song contest is from Carpentier, paid for by Louis XIV to commemorate his victories f.i. you can’t really blame the artists for getting paid for doing their thing, can you?
But my main point was that that money was better spent versus toppling foreign socialist regimes or stoking up the war on drugs by getting involved in drugs trade. The art thing is more desirable in any way.
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What. The. Fuck.
Hey man, let’s take some poorly written beat poetry and put it over mediocre guitar compositions. Then we can take a talented keyboardist but make him play the shittiest sounding electric organ. And we can make sure the recording makes it all sound like a cat and some tin cans in a dryer.
I’m partial to talented keyboardists playing shitty sounding electric organs myself. Shoutout to Deep Purple.
Didn’t Jon Lord use a Hammond organ? One of the best sounding instruments ever.
A hammond tearing through a Marshall stack is a statement.
Pinhead anon has no talent.
Yes but after amp and distortion it sounds like a cyber cabaret church and I love it. He also used an electric harpsichord for some songs, another awesome sounding instrument
There are far too few shitty sounding electric organs in modern music.
check out “sticky hulks” by the oh-sees for a modern approach
or the song enrique el-cobrador for a more old school doors type organ :)
Absolutely, one of the best organ grooves in my opinion came from Jon Lord’s Hammond C3 organ on “Lazy”, specifically from the album Made in Japan. Boomer gold!
I recommend his solo* stuff. There’s a concert on Youtube I often go back to.
*Not really solo cause there’s an orchestra, sometimes singers and guests, but you know what I mean.
the organ is what makes it good for me :'(
I guess that’s literally what she said.
Yeah the Doors had great songs and long shit songs, like every band.
The Beatles had long shit songs, Led Zeppelin, Kanye, Gustav Mahler…
Which long songs by Pink Floyd are shitty? 🤔
I’m not especially fond of Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together In A Cave And Grooving With A Pict.
I had to look up if that was even a real song. 🤣
Looking at the lyrics I can already tell I am not gonna like it, despite that title definitely being right up my alley.
I don’t think that one qualifies as a particularly long Pink Floyd song
Kanye didn’t have great songs.
Sadly, he did have a few great songs on albums ~3-5ish.
I haven’t heard them. When i asked someone years ago I heard some fundamentally structurally okay but musically unsophisticated poetically sloppy high-school-wank pablum.
I’m going strictly by the performance in Block Party, which was pretty fucking awesome.
So a song worked well as part of a show, but is it a good song as a stand-alone music?
Yeah I didn’t really understand what he was saying half the time but I was pumped.
Was going to write a list but I’m too lazy so I’ll just go with the first one that comes to mind: all falls down.
I’m going to have to steal that first line for describing the next thing I suspect of being funded by the CIA.
Here, anon. Smoke this.
Just show me the way to the next Whisky Bar
I appreciate this post, as I hate the Doors.
Hey man, don’t slam the doors.
“Hey man, the Doors slam.”
Seems like you missed an opportunity þere.
“Hey man, the Doors slam.”
Haha, you used TH instead of þ
I don’t use thorns in proper names or in quotes ¯\(ツ)/¯
Wouldn’t a proper name be capitalised - The Doors?
Yup, I missed capitalizing “The”
That’s what they used to say about The Doors way back then, too.
One of the best episodes of any podcast I’ve ever heard is dedicated entirely to making fun of the song LA Woman
