• Gucci_Minh [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Ming

    OP outed themselves as a poorly informed Han nationalist (despite being Russian). Real OGs say Han or Tang, enlightened scholars say Song, people who say Ming are the same kind of people who would wear MAGA hats in america.

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      Tang seems to be really big especially amongst Cantonese people, they don’t just call themselves Chinese people, they call themselves Tang People. Chinatowns are actually called Tang People’s Street.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Tang Dynasty supremacy, but you can also be like weird and say stuff like the Liao dynasty or the Jurchens (aka the Jin dynasty). For maximum chaos you can pull a Confucius and say your favorite dynasty was the Western Zhou.

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      Probably, but more broadly China’s “philosophy” around rule is much more pragmatic than Western royalist brainrot. There is no divine right to rule if you lose the Mandate of Heaven. Nobody gives a shit if you can like trace your ancestry back to the last Song dynasty emperor, because obviously the Song lost the Mandate of Heaven to rule (since they haven’t rule China for ~1000 years) so why the fuck would a scion of a dynasty that lost the mandate have any “right” to claim they should rule? If that scion wanted to raise an army and take over China, they’re welcome to do so, and if they succeed they obviously attained the Mandate of Heaven, but that’s on them. So it’s very hard for a Chinese guy to be like “ah yes the third line removed of the second Sui emperor should be restored to the throne because of divine right” since that’s just not how succession or rule works in Chinese history.

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        As an addendum to this, (please forgive me for what I’m about to post) in the Netflix series “Bling Empire,” which is a reality housewives-esque show that traces the lives of very rich Asian-Americans living in Los Angeles, one of the characters on this show claims he can trace his ancestry back to one of the Song dynasty emperors. Nobody gives a shit about this except for Westerners, and he’s just a doctor now. His ties to “nobility” aren’t meaningful because In China there isn’t a feudal noble class to speak of, and there’s no like ancestral wealth he can tap into.

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    Qing Dynasty

    It is the most recent dynasty, and therefore has the most influence on modern Chinese politics and diplomacy, forming the basis for the modern borders of china. it was an incredibly fascinating period of history that dealt prominently with race, religion, culture, imperialism, and national sovereignty. The Manchu origin of this dynasty lead adopting and negotiating symbols of power between emperor and subject, and crystalized the idea of Zhonghua Minzu which is the modern view of “Chinese” encompasses a civic identity applying equally to all imperial subjects, distinct from ethnicity, language, or origin. This was also the period during which Tibet and Xinjiang were brought under Chinese authority, both with unique circumstances that continue to be relevant in the modern contexts. This was also the century of humiliation, which saw the rapid swing of China from the most powerful and wealthy empire in the world, to the most stricken, and is one of the most important historical episodes in Chinese political consciousness. Apart from that, the increasing contact with the west is an endless source of interesting stories; McCartney Embassy, Western Mansions of Summer Palace, the New Army, Hanyang Arsenal, Russian criminals caught in central Asia being sent as punishment to Guangzhou to become banner soldiers, etc.

    Honorable Mention: Xi Xia; very mysterious and artful western dynasty, patrons for the very beloved Mogao Caves, have a unique written language which looks bizarrely complex with an abundance of diagonal strokes. culture went extinct following the mongols, and their writing was utterly forgotten, such that no one even knew what language certain inscriptions on stone monuments in Beijing were, and it was only deciphered in modern times.

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    Yea yea Song and Tang had good art and poetry but have you considered how fun and random the Warring States period was

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    Ming seems sterotypical but that’s just cause they really were them dracula-flow

    The Song and Tang were impressive for their time but I think the scale and organization of the Ming and Qing are underappreciated and blemished by the dramatic declines. I’d be okay choosing either I just like Ming fashion a bit better.

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        there is no dynastic era that didn’t have that, it’s kind of a non starter for the conversation.

        The size, stability and wealth of the era is most important, the Ming delivered the highest population in Chinese history up to that point, largely without new world crops

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          I mean the Ming dynasty really maxed out on the brutality even compared to others. Guess it depends on your priorities tho, and anyway that might be based on Qing propaganda